MeridianR

With Master AR, 5 points in AR AA, and Luck of the Dirge it is extremely easy to keep AR up almost constantly.

So other then fucking with my guildies and specing Int/Sta for shits and giggles I wouldn't waste it for that

Of course Damage shields are a problem with AR, but meh.

firamas

even with AD3 AR it's 41% with LOTD and AA, still very solid.

however, that's normalized, like all procs, to a 3.0 sec casting time/delay. so divide by 6 to get the actual percentage. you can certainly expect it to be up most of the time if you plan your CA usage properly, but you can't guarantee anything. and some AE's you just don't want to be eating because you "hoped" AR would save you. if it was a 10 sec duration instead of 6 i'd trust it more, it just doesn't invoke any kind of feelings of security for me though. it's more of a "nice to have thing" where i can save the healers some power and time on the AE's that we don't joust.

/cry for the days of 100% AR

MeridianR

I have no issues with keeping it up /shrug - as long as I have a dirge.

I don't joust shit like Mayong, Gardner, Wuoshi (except during GB time), etc...on avatars due to damage shields, that is of course different.

Johnathon

Hes a master tinkerer too =(

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Pinski

Actually that's wrong. CA procs aren't normalized at all.

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Orochan

Int line is just horrible, sorry to say bro , there is no reason what-so-ever to choose int line over the three other kick ass lines ( those being STR, WIS, AGI)

The thing is, you won't be gaining tha X% amount of dps back with the fd, you'll be losing so much dps it's crippling.

Yea you could say well brigs have no xfer or w/e so their aggro whores but the truth is brigs can dump aggro off them the moment they get it, so that's not even an issue tbh.

And fyi avast ye roughly accounts for 4%-7% of my zw dps, what skill in the int line accounts for that much?

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MeridianR

Winner! It's a straight %

If it were normalized like regular procs, it would be way less reliable then it is. Sure the 5.6 duration isn't a ton, but it's normally more then enough to keep up. As I stated even with say Blanket, and Soul Paralysis hitting on different timers I can stay in normally all the time with AR up.

firamas

i didn't say INT line was a superstar choice, i just noted that it's not as horrible as people stereotype it. i'd agree that losing ALL of the gains from the other 3 kickass lines would be crippling, but you only have to sacrifice one. naturally, it has to be AGI (with a STR/AGI DW spec) in order to still maintain your autoattack DPS. and yes, pirate stab is usually somewhere around 4-6% for me as well. nothing else from the AGI line is adding to your DPS on raids though. sailwind is nice for other (somewhat related) reasons, but not really a direct massive DPS increaser.

so cut out 6% (we'll average it aggressively) from losing pirate stab.

now take into account the extra time you'll be able to stay up on the mob to DPS. it's not huge, but think about each joust. think about the time that it takes to run out of AE range. think about the wait time. think about the time it takes to run back in. now imagine if you could stay in when everyone else runs back, feign 3 seconds before an AE, and stand back up immediately after it goes off, thus DPSing from melee range almost uninterruptedly. no need to rely on AR. suddenly 6% DPS from pirate stab doesn't seem like it's that hard to recover =) you might not get all of it back, but you'd only be taking a small hit.

i dunno, this is all theory right now. i'm currently specced STR/INT but haven't had the chance to test it extensively. i've never been a "parse this out and keep detailed records and metrics" type of guy. if my ZW parse isn't getting its ass kicked i'm happy. if i can bring another neat, useful ability to the raid, i'm happy.

maybe someone else who's more parse/test inclined can test this with a similar spec. tell me if boot dagger isn't nice with skewer. tell me if the feign isn't a good deal both in and out of raids. tell me if you can stop using deaggro poison and still not pull aggro, ever. tell me how much your DPS really dropped (and be fair with your testing -- have to still be in your normal group, same weps, same attention to each fight, etc). i bet you'll be surprised. most of you are really overestimating your actual gains from the AGI line. 6% isn't game breaking.

MeridianR

Are you forgetting about Sailwind? Sure Pirate Stab is awesome, but the addition of sailwind makes the agility line.

(I notice you said sailwind in your post, but seriously it's the best part of the line to me)

Johnathon

Sailwind compresses our combat art DPS so you get more combat arts in a certain period of time..

Lets say you do 100 combat arts every 10 minutes (pretend thats max without sailwind)

with sailwind you get 120 every 10 minutes.

IMO 20 combat arts = good DPS .. esp if you know how to click (or button push) like mad =)

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