Kelenved

Prior to raid levels, where I understand (and have seen the dw weapons drop like candy) that a pair of fabled dw weapons is easier to get than a superior 1hander, is it still advisable to go dw with legendary or mastercrafted weaps over similar tier leg/mc 1handers?

For example I grabbed a blade of the bixies (60dps) at 58 and switched to wis/agi and bagged the mc dagger/ss combo (35.6 dps each)

Currently level 60, so two away from being able to get the next round of mc dw weapons (43.3 dps each) and more than likely at least 5 levels from being able to get into Labs for the candy there.

I posed the same scenario to Pantz and he gave me some good advice, one point being to pose the question here for the masses as his knowledge of legendary and mastercrafted weapons wasn't all that extensive.

For what it's worth, my guild has most of KoS on farm status but my brig is an alt so drops will need to trickle down unless I get him into some open KoS raids etc. Any advice would be appreciated.

Scoundril

To be honest, you ill find unless you get a very good 1H, DW will provide the most dps. Where you are at right now, the DR between your dw and 1H is not that significant. With our double attack % at 68 right now, unless you get buffed for more double atk, your DWs alone will do more damage by % than a 1H. Also, the proc from your AGI line will outweigh any slight damage gained from using 1H. A lot of brigs think that 1H is the best because a lot of raid brigs use it. In reality, unless you are using CDS or better, DW is best. And with SoD and such out now, really unless you have AONO/CCM, DW seems to parse the best. It also depends on group make ups and other factors too. Just some food for thought there.

Kelenved

The offhand weapon won't proc Pirate Stab though right? When dw I went str/agi and now with 1h I'm wis/agi so in both cases I have the proc (with 8 pts in each time)

I can see the point though that with the crits in the str line utilized in a dw spec, that there would be a dps increase there as well if the outright weapon dps values are already favorable ... hadn't looked at it that way before ... interesting, thanks for the input =)

Scoundril

Think of it this way. If you are DW, you will def swing with a weap each round. So lets take 2 DWs with a DR of 60:

60+60=120 overall DR

Now take into account a 1H with a DR of 80:

80+(80x.68=54.4)=134.4 overall DR

In that case, by sheer MATHEMATICAL NUMBER, 1H is better for pure melee. What you have to look at is your ratios, crit %, and eveything else in which you could actually do a graph and get all technical but suffice it to say that really, unless you have a 1H with a DR of about 75 or better, it is best to stay DW. There are a lot of factors beyong sheer mathematics that go into what really happens on the parse so you will just have to play around with them and get a feel for what you are most comfortable with. I you are comfortable with 1H, go 1h. If you are comfortable with DW, go DW. What really matters is the high end raid where DPS must be fully maxed.

Personally, from what I have noticed, both builds on avg will come out to about the same DPS. It all depends on the player and group setup.

Denonia

Personally i am running arround with some crap legendary dual wield weapons from Unrest and OOB and is dual wield specced etc. I thought i was super incredibly lucky when i ran into the 1hander from Vuicwtf (End named in Lyceum). I instantly respecced 1hander and went to Labs 5 minutes after looting the weapon. However what happened was that my dps decreased like mad. I thought i had made some spec mistake and tried respeccing again inside labs with the same horrible result. After 3 nameds i went back to my crappy dual wielders, respecced dual wield and went back to my former dps. while I am in incredibly crappy gear since i just dinged 70 2 weeks ago i still have 100 AAs and was in a super group in labs (illu, troub, fury, warlock, wizard, brigand). The dps i got out of the 1hander was arround 1/3 from my dual wield dps though.

firamas

without access to raid loot (which as a non raiding brigand on a PvP server I fell under for the longest time), DW is going to be the smoother path for you

griz dirk + dark linger are both easy as hell to obtain. the DW from unrest (Infirmity?) is also very solid. SoD legendary sabre is a bit harder to get but very very worth it (just need a solid group that's not too retarded to do CMM correctly).

now start talking legendary 1h'ers -- outside of the Modinthalis or SoD reward, what do you have? blade of the bixies ftw? i used that piece of shit for the longest time while i was AGI/WIS specced for PvP and i had to stare at that low ratio and cry every day.

tbh the best advice would be to do the SoD quest. the legendary 1h and DW are both excellent. plus, you might later be able to bribe your way (or *cough* find some friendly guild) into a mayong kill. once you have the legendary reward you just need to be present for any version of mayong dying and you'll get the upgrade to the fabled version. which, at this time, are pretty much "top 3 in game" for either slot.

Choadley

I'll go you one farther and tell you to just stay with DW. The math doesn't translate to "real world" performance anymore.

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Exeter

Figured I would post my question here instead of cluttering up the board with another thread since it is related to the OP's question.

I am *just* getting into raiding the KoS zones to get geared up for the 'big kid stuff'. I'm running around with Infirmity/Grizzlefazzle and STR/AGI.

Now, I'm looking to try something new. All the rogues in my guild are DW spec'd and I think that there's something to be said about variety. I recently won Modinthalis in Unrest and have been kicking around the idea of spec'ing AGI/WIS.

Question is, given the kind of weapons that I actually have, is it worth it from a DPS perspective to try AGI/WIS? Would I have to approach my casting order and other things differently as a result?

Of course, there's nothing saying that I can't spec back if a couple of juicy fabled DWs drop. I'm just curious what all you ubah Brigs think.

Scoundril

If you do the SoD, Gladius would be a viable option for you to use 1H, but really only after you kill mayong. Really from your standpoint right now, I would recommend staying DW. You really are not able to get your hands on the 1Hs neccessary to make wis line worth it. A lot of rogues are taking 1H just because they see others doing it. For the most part, when you get down to it, str/agi will outparse wis line 99% of the time untill you get serious end game weapons like CCM. GDOH and sod sabre (pre or post mayong) would be very viable and easy options to get which will give you about the highest parse out there right now. Also, untill gdoh drops, DoN wouldn't be that bad either. KoS is pretty limited in its choices for a 1H. STAY DW.

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Orochan

Prob is u can't expect to go from 2 dw's with 1.6 sec delay....to a sword that has a 3 sec delay, and expect to be instantly attuned to that delay. with your DW's you could freely spam CA's as your auto attack delay was prolly under 1second, but with a weap like vilucidae's which has a 3 sec delay, u can't just spam CA's and expect to get the same dps, give vil's sword another try, I'd say.

Also what were you specced? agi/wis or str/wis?

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