pagansaint

At lvl 75/80ish the weapons will still be better due to the ones at that point having +DA% +Crit% and having better delays for proc's and CA/Auto Attack syncing. Not to mention freeing up 16 at the least AAs to put elsewhere.

If you can afford MC or better weapons, the strength line is bad.

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clownen

I respecced my aa when i got to lvl 79 and i must say that i think that my dps went up going unarmed. Still no one who know how the parsers and numbers works that can explaine this?

Mimn

Ok what weapons where you using and that aa spec were you using in both setups. Top t7 Fabled should still do more damage then a level 80 unarmed.

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gungo

Unless by top t7 you mean cmayong, SOD, mayong hammer, stone of power, or the 2 hander from tnt. No i do not think the boneskewer or fist of bashing will outdps unarmed. I got to check again but doing /weapon showed some pretty impressive numbers, unarmed.

But yes i agree once you hit 70+ and start collecting alot of double atk gear the str line is basically obsolete. Which is another reason it needs to be adjusted to 1/3 value with weapons or changed to add % to combat art damage like it was initially but less insulting then the 6% with 8 points they put on it during test.

I would take str line if they removed all unarmed requirements AND turned the third ability into 1.5% combat art damage per rank. 12% combat art damage, crushing mit debuff atk, 12% riposte chance, and chii would make me so happy in the pants.

clownen

I was using mars fist, twin, fist of bashing and fist of pain. then i had my aa all the way in wis and int and 4 4 8 in agi. Now i have all the way in str and int and 448 in agi. and im loving it.

Mimn

Well the only one of those 4 that have a decent spread is the fop and tbh 1:3 damage spreads on weapons hurts overall dps. I Have SOD and cudgel of pain ((horid luck getting gbh or fist off TA)) and really hoping for doomcoil baton or at least the knuckles from COA. IMHO yeah even the marr fist and big calamity wont touch the unarmed dps of a level 80 brawler. But get ahold of a pair of hard hitting 2.5's and watch your dps increase greatly. Even the new legendary 4.0 parings i have seen the deklium cudgel and the healer mace I have heard great numbers coming from that pairing.

Played to their max a person with a Doomcoil MH and SOD OH will always outparse a barehanded brawler. Str line has one advantage over the other lines and that is in Chi. For groups its great but really in raids I run 150 haste and bounce between 95-180 dps mod so really yeah you can spam ca's but with agi line its not that huge of a skill. But zw that is not enough to make up a full dps build using the other lines.

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Splorch

Just an average group earlier today of a couple of instances(Maidens, CoA, & VoES).
Average Parse was right at 2200+/-
The deklium Battering Cudgel was by itself was 19% of my total attack, SoD pulled in 17% + 1% for the proc for 18%

Overall your looking at 37% of my damage from auto attack.

Means the Cudgel was parsing about 418 DPS
SoD for about 396 DPS.

If your wondering on the group setups I started with

Maidens
Fury
Brigand
Me(bruiser)
Templar
Warlock
Troub

VoES and CoA
Me
Troub
Inquis
Warden
Necro
Conj

Damn cudgel is outdoin all my hard work for SoD and its so easy to get one

Anjin

maybe the extra DPS from the cudgel was due to the delay....dunno!

Mirdo

So for an alt being levelled slowly through RoK, it looks like barehanded is a viable option?

Given that she's unlikely to get any decent fabled, is there any legendary available that would be good enough to warrant a change and respec do you guys think?

pagansaint

The Deklium Battering Cudgel and Knuckle Duster would be very easy to upgrade into and will definitely out dps the empty slot line.

Another thing you can do is get the SoD done for your brawler and then keep trying for the Ryjesium Forged Knuckles that drop from CoA, fabled 2.5s delay one hand from a heroic instance.

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