Test CHanges we have been waiting for - Page 3

Shinzul · 01-27-2008, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by gungo

All they need to do is double the damn direct damage amount. especially if they removed fucking crits.

You DO realize that criticals are only 1.3x the actual hit amount, right? So doubling the damage would be considerably more than what it used to do when getting a crit.

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Originally Posted by Dorieon

Dev Fist was the great middle ground for those brawlers that aren't fabled out to have something to offer to groups that would normally pass them over for a dps class or a diff off tank.

If/when I form a PUG (it's late and there aren't many guildies online or something), I'll never take one class over another...

In my opinion, pickup person A = pickup person B. In my mind, I'm convinced that all pickups do about 600 DPS regardless of class. *shrug*

Orochan · 01-27-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dorieon

I can see where the people (read...assassins, swash, brig, some mages and fighters) are coming from. We apparentlly scare them with our big hit.

My problem however, is that the same people that have complained that we are hitting for "too" much are the exact same people that jump on any brawler that complains about not being great at dps/tanking. They all say quit complaining "you aren't meant to tank" or "you aren't meant to dps like a scout" "you're a hybrid". So Plate tanks don't want us to tank and dps classes don't want us to challenge them in the parse. The funny thing is who the fuck cares who got the biggest hit in an heroic encounter, everyone wins because the mob is dead.

Dev Fist was the great middle ground for those brawlers that aren't fabled out to have something to offer to groups that would normally pass them over for a dps class or a diff off tank. And I'm not saying thats all we have to offer but its a nice plus to have.

If they take the crits away the raiding brawlers will be ok as we/our guilds know how to use our skills. The people that will be screwed are the casual/serious non raiding players that just lost a great ability.

What is "Devastating" about a 4k hit. Oh, and it cost 500+ power and stuns for 10 sec. Thanks, but no thanks, I'll pass and use 3-4 Ca's in that time that don't stun/cut my dps.

That is all.

I think your assuming too much, Dev fist is above and beyond good for 95% of the game. In ANY situation except raiding, dev fist is fucking awesome.

However it is my opinion that a free 25% hit on any heroic named is just unbalanced, just look at the thread about the biggest dev fist hit. Brawlers are getting 150k or w/e hits on NAMED encounters. I think changing it to a 4k or w/e hit tho on heroic nameds is a bad idea, just maybe lower the %, so instead of 25% is maybe 10% or 5%, yea yea you could call it a nerf or w/e but if you srsly think dev fist is balanced on heroic nameds then I dunno what to tell ya.

Also dev fist stifles you not stuns, but it's still just as bad lolz, and yea it not critting anymore is just fucking stupid.

gungo · 01-27-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Shinzul

You DO realize that criticals are only 1.3x the actual hit amount, right? So doubling the damage would be considerably more than what it used to do when getting a crit.

You DO realize i did not say doubling the damage will be equal to max damage and crit. I actually intend for it to do More damage but I was saying that a 3-5k atk for the negative side effects of dev fist is crap and since crits was removed as well makes it even more crap.

Guru Kneo · 01-27-2008, 10:05 PM

It goes to the back of the book and collects dust - as people have said the negative side effects of using it are not worth 2xxx-4xxx.

With regards to Devasatation Fist and Epics - 4k is a joke.

They could have scaled it to like 1% of health for epics similar to verdict etc that would be fine and appropriate for the name - if you got the mob that low then hey lets activate our special ability.

Lizardling · 01-28-2008, 03:47 AM

I fail to realize why everyones complaining still. It benefits soloing, grouping, and even parses on raids. Prior to these changes, assisting to use dev fist on heroic named could even be considered an exploit. Aeralik saw all the posting on the forums and made it sound as if you would never be able to use this one heroic named again.

"Ahh yes I love it when you guys give such a wonderful detailed explanation of a bug ;)"
I think theyre actually being somewhat favorable to our class in a way by not taking away that 25% to named completely.

Believe me, other classes hate us for having such a high damage attack. However, it doesnt put us on the top of the parse and if it does then theres a problem with the raid.

As for the no crits, everything right now is just speculations other than what were told(no crits vs heroic named) unless we test it ourselves or until someone from test decides to let everyone know how it works.

If you have power issues... you and your raid has an issue as well. There are so many clickies out there as well as items.

Think its useless?
1 shotting solo named - its gonna take about the same amount of power, and a lot less time.
Group mobs - was real nice for drusella but she sounds like a joke after the next LU and is even now pretty easy if youve done it a few times before. Also, once you get better gear it can be just like old days soloing heroic named. Maybe not seb or chardok, but KC is possible w/ dev fist. Not to mention thats where all the masters are that will sell for more.
Raiding - Just get your timing right or use it at the end of fights and it will give a nice boost to your parse.

hoppy6698 · 01-29-2008, 03:27 PM

Okay, so after all this rant, does anyone know the link for the new Anaphylaxis reward? Venomous Chitin Bo

narcolepticltd · 01-30-2008, 02:13 AM

not showing up on lootdb yet so I guess no one is logging from test for them. a screen shot would be nice though.

gungo · 01-30-2008, 07:09 PM

test is pretty much dead.
they need to copy all the test characters to another server
(unrest seems to be thier favorite location)
and just make test a live copy place to actually test content.

Crabbok · 01-31-2008, 09:49 AM

Agreed

Rythalian · 01-31-2008, 12:38 PM