narcolepticltd

If it's a crushing weapon that deals slashing damage, it will use the crushing skill to hit. It will also count as a crushing weapon for those adornments and won't allow the riposte adornment to be applied.

SDS is awesome with the 15% uncontested, but any amount of uncontested riposte helps our stoneskin proc more. (which I have not seen proc since 42 hit... and although I've not tested it think they may have broke more than just the heal in that AA line....).


kinda derailing here, but is one 15% uncontested better than 2 checks at 3%? I seriously do not know and would like to here some info there.

Crabbok

First off, a crushing weapon that deals slashing damage WILL accept slashing adornments, namely the riposte adornment. I know because I have weapons of that type adorned in such a way. That is exactly what I meant for the epic. To be a crushing weapon that deals slahing damage, just like the soufire kama, using our crushing skill, and allowing the riposte adornment.

Additionally, I do not have SDS yet, as we have always gotten the chain BP from nexona, but to be honest i'd end up using slashers FAR more often than SDS, because the riposte % will affect my avoidance buff when it is on the MT, giving me more stoneskins, and therefore, more free intercede's.

And yes Retribution of stone still work... I have seen it. Though I'm not sure it's frequency is what it should be. I've heard this complains from a few bruisers so far, but dunno if it's 100% true.

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Couch

If it's crushing weapon with slashing damage, sure, I don't mind. Not to say, bruiser has chance to proc stoneskins off ripsote.

narcolepticltd

Ok I'm more than a little confused on this here.. are you talking about the Lucanic Kama for the riposte adornment? Now, I'm only going by what's on lootdb.com at the moment since I've not done SoD on my bruiser, and the servers are down... but Soulfire is 1 hand crushing and does not specify slashing damage:

\aITEM 1472912218 -1214840150:Soulfire Kama\/a

were you able to adorn soulfire with the +riposte adornment? If so that doesn't make any sense (hence the confusion).

Now the Lucanic Kama, IS slashing... but it is purely a slashing weapon, not crushing that deals slashing damage. It's a One-Handed Slashing weapon (again, posting from lootdb.com so this may be incorrect from what is in game):

\aITEM 111087822 888587396:Lucanic Kama\/a

I also think it's weird that the damage type changed from lucanic to soulfire but that's not what we're discussing. Maybe lootdb is just jacked.

narcolepticltd

Ok the examine window on lootdb.com is jacked, I see what you're talking about now with an ingame examine window, both are one-handed crushing, and do slashing damage.

Crabbok

Yes Soulfire Kama is crushing weapon that deals Slashing Damage. Back in the day, (Wednesday was THE DAY btw for all those who didn't know), there used to be many weapons that were crushing that woudl actually deal slashing, or piercing.

THATS what I'm talkin about.

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pagansaint

Sorry couching but I have parsed the difference and seen the difference in hit rate between different damage type weapons on the same toon, same fight, same run. The difference between anything less than 20 skill does not affect hit rate by an amount that will register on your parses as anything more than a blip when in anything other than your T8 defensive stance.

(which if you actually use I give up on you anyway as a brawler)

Think the difference between using Mantis Bolt with 5 points in it with the most pure DPS spec possible and not having that Mantis Bolt with 5 points.

Thats the kind of difference in DPS you get from the change in hit rate of going from slashing to crushing.

Now, here's the real question, would 3% more uncontested avoidance that affects you and your MT or OT with your avoidance buff on them count for more than that sometimes there blip of lowered DPS?

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Shandreya

The dodge chance obtained from the dogwood staff works just fine for granted avoidance on an ally, making it indeed by far the best weapon for this purpose.

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pagansaint

But you didn't understand his post, specifically the part you quoted.

Slashers gain him more stoneskins from Retribution of Stone, more stone skins give him more times he can intercede without fear of death on the MT.

Not to mention the SDS is lagging on DPS on the normal raid dropped DWs, what do you think its DPS is going to compare as with the Mythical and a normal raid dropped DW?

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Couch

It's because your sampling is not large enough.

For example, sometimes in vp, slashing hit ratio is higher than crushing even I have higher crushing skill than slashing skill. Can I say that weapon skill is useless? No.

Moreover, not everyone has the same group set up as you have in the raid so that you have 520-540 in mid stance. It's impossible without buff from warden.

We already have best weapon for tanking, SDS. We need a best weapon in dps.

You want to ge both? Then get crushing weapon with slashing damage so that we can use crushing skill and 3% riposte adornment. It's much better than getting a slashing weapon.