Official Word on the STR Line

Novusod · 03-02-2008, 01:10 AM

The comments were made by Lyndro on the Allakhazam dev chat seen here:

Lyndro: Monksrock: The brawler strength line was changed to remove the no weapon requirement. It was added back at the behest of the community on a whole. Allowing use of the strength line with the epic would either mean re-evaluating the epic or re-evaluating the strength line
Lyndro: It was an unpopular change originally. Monks use that line to level up. Changing it for the epic would make it much less useful for that. I'm not going to flat out say no, but I'd put the chances of that happening as low

In other words it is not the Devs but all the Brigs, Assassins, Rangers, other tank classes that think the STR line is overpowered in any other form than status quo. Also part of the blame goes to the casual player who needs help leveling their brawler. Also bottom line is no change is in works. Interesting to say the least but not all that surprising.

Couch · 03-02-2008, 02:14 AM

Do you really believe their excuse that str line is reserved for level up?

The real reason is because they can't give us a useful line no matter for tanking or dps.

They did try to give us a totally gimped revamp str line on test sever and it's much useless than the original. Of course, no body supported it and it's dead before going to live sever.

Why did they can't give us a useful tank line?

It's because we can't tank as good or close as plate tank. They already have trouble to make plate tanks happy. They are not going to let us make it worse.

Why did they can't give us a useful dps line?

It's because we can't dps as good or close as dpsers.

Guardian is trolling that brawler should stick to off tank.
Zerker is trolling that brawler should stay away of off tanking.
Dpser is trolling that brawler should go back to tank rather than dps (because we are supposedly to be a tank, hack, even we don't tank ANY mob in 90%-95% raid content).

It's so classic.

Trumak · 03-02-2008, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Novusod

The comments were made by Lyndro on the Allakhazam dev chat seen here:

Lyndro: Monksrock: The brawler strength line was changed to remove the no weapon requirement. It was added back at the behest of the community on a whole. Allowing use of the strength line with the epic would either mean re-evaluating the epic or re-evaluating the strength line
Lyndro: It was an unpopular change originally. Monks use that line to level up. Changing it for the epic would make it much less useful for that. I'm not going to flat out say no, but I'd put the chances of that happening as low

In other words it is not the Devs but all the Brigs, Assassins, Rangers, other tank classes that think the STR line is overpowered in any other form than status quo. Also part of the blame goes to the casual player who needs help leveling their brawler. Also bottom line is no change is in works. Interesting to say the least but not all that surprising.

What other class has an aa line dedicated to leveling up and becomes fucking worthless at max lvl. Give me a fucking break.

Mimn · 03-03-2008, 07:23 AM

If they did change it they would make it amazing. Make brawlers feel wonderful for 2 months then nerf it below the value of the sta line

Xxad · 03-03-2008, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch

Do you really believe their excuse that str line is reserved for level up?

The real reason is because they can't give us a useful line no matter for tanking or dps.

They did try to give us a totally gimped revamp str line on test sever and it's much useless than the original. Of course, no body supported it and it's dead before going to live sever.

Why did they can't give us a useful tank line?

It's because we can't tank as good or close as plate tank. They already have trouble to make plate tanks happy. They are not going to let us make it worse.

Why did they can't give us a useful dps line?

It's because we can't dps as good or close as dpsers.

Guardian is trolling that brawler should stick to off tank.
Zerker is trolling that brawler should stay away of off tanking.
Dpser is trolling that brawler should go back to tank rather than dps (because we are supposedly to be a tank, hack, even we don't tank ANY mob in 90%-95% raid content).

It's so classic.

well said...none of the other classes wanna share their role with us which leaves us with no defined role. Dpsers don't want us dpsing anywhere near what they parse. Tanks don't want us tanking anywhere near as well as they do. Sony increasing us in either way will only piss off other classes which makes sony wanna just leave us as we are and pretend like they don't hear us

Tiermes · 03-04-2008, 06:29 PM

just remove brawlers entirely from the game and give us 2 more interesting and useful classes..

Sheirark · 03-10-2008, 07:56 AM

WTB my old beastlord back perhaps, lil dps and utility with a pet that could offtank...... well at least till i got nerfed because of whiners

gungo · 03-12-2008, 06:30 PM

Really what i want most from that str line is the 8% uncontested avodiance from the riposte AA that coupled with the bruiser riposte stone skin proc would make tanking a bit more comparable to some other fighters.

The crushing debuff is a neat utility and any change with chii to be a group wide or raid wide fighter only buff would make it decent raid utility.

The 20% dps and any amount of DA (probably 20%) given would just be a nice bonus.

But really i dont like the stamina line, i have never been a fan of crane flock, and i dont see much use in going beyond crits in strength line. I would actually prefer to put those points in the str line even if the DA was much reduced.

hoppy6698 · 03-19-2008, 10:21 AM

Even if they took the DA down to say 25% max with wpns equipped, most of us would still take it. Leave it 97% for no wpns, drop it to 25-30 for wpns used, and it would be wholly more useful.