Basirah

I am thinking about rolling a bruiser. In the end game, do bruisers have better dps potential thank monks? I really like the idea of the bruiser class, but monks, not so much.

malos

My answer to this would be yes but it will probably take a proper group setting to get it. Monks can self haste to almost if not better than 100% auto attack where bruisers cannot really self buff anything cept strgth, agility, and +89 to combat art damage. In a solo situation a monk should out parse a bruiser hands down, but if the parse is say 1000 dps for the 100% hasted monk, and 800 dps for the 0% hasted bruiser then once the bruiser is 100% hasted he should out parse the monk since bruisers have nice hard hitting combat arts.

Bruisers do nice damage solo but once a bruiser is in the proper melee support group they will have so much more room to make improvement where a monk will not as far as haste in concerned.

If the situation is equal on all counts.....haste, dps mods, strength, chance to hit, weapons, ect....the bruiser should be slightly ahead of the monk as long as both are (big variable here) played the same by about 150-400 dps generally.

Make no mistake that a monk can put out some nice melee damage and dps very well for a fighter, but so can a properly played bruiser. I have been on some long raid fights with my bruiser along side my monk friend and it seems that if the fight lets me get off two full rounds of my combat arts with knockout combo once I generally parse anywhere from 400-800 dps higher than my monk friend, other wise I am usually 200 to 350 dps higher on average.

He will set 130 points self hasted and in raids is usually capped at 200 points with a dps mod of 50. My bruiser is usually on raids hasted at 84 points and 66 dps mod. So my combat arts really help my parse. I would love to see the day my bruiser can be raid hasted at 200 points or 125% and see what he is capable of.

Also on long fights as a bruiser spamming combat arts is a no no!!!! I am learning that consistancy is better for my bruiser on long fights than spamming combat arts in desperation like a two year old.

However a monk will still have nice fighter dps (and at times can out parse 95% of all bruisers and other toons as well) and brings more to the group set up than a bruiser will. Most hard core players know this and will usually pick a monk over a bruiser 7 times out of 10.

Sorry for the long post but for the record monks better dps solo and bruiser better dps (with proper group melee buffs) group wise. Just my opinion.

Sqee

I parsed 234 dps at level 74 in Deathtoll... but then again, i'm Sqee, the Anti bruiser.

malos

Better answers would come from someone who has played both bruiser and monk. I am only commenting from my experience and what I witness and hear from other monks and bruisers. I have never played a monk past lvl 20 so I couldn't really comment on end game monk Q&A's.

One other thing I would like to mention is that I never felt my bruiser was to be considered a "true" dps class so I never really got into all the who is better dps crap. I feel so many people roll the wrong toons thinking they will be a damaging machine when the class they choose is actually different. Hehe nothing is worse than a shadow knight who is a tank trying to be dps, while wearing dps int/wis gear and gets smoked by mobs quite easily then wonders why in the hell did he/she just die? For the love of it all sk's are tanks not dps. Oh well hope you get my drift here.

I do feel that at the lower to mid lvls (15-50)the monk will out dps bruisers fairly well. Once over that point bruisers seem to do fairly well.

T-Assassin

from my experiences, bruisers dps > monks, quite a bit.

but, that is instance and groups only. not a single RoK raid, so i cannot speak on that..

but, as far as instances (CoA, VoES, maidens, etc.) i'm kickin the shit outta most DPS classes (minus guys in raid gear). even scouts and mages...altho, a WELL played scout or mage does beat me on parses, but not my much.

since getting my epic and switchin from STR line to agil/wis i'm parsing 2.2k at least on those runs, without and illy or dirge....with one, i'm hittin 2.8k, with both (only once, tho ) i hit 3.2k in CoA. <--all ZW

most monks i'vr grouped with are several hundred points less.

i do have pretty good non-raid gear (don't even own a piece of raid gear). no love for bruisers on raids, from my limited experience(about 10 raids, all non-RoK), just can't sustain great DPS like a scout can over a longer fight, even when spacing CA's w/ AA...

but on named mobs in the afore mentioned instances, bruiser fuckin owns...avg DPS of 3.8-5k (dependin on mobs, obviously) KO combo (and chi when i had it!!) is a named killer.

monk has more group utility, but bruiser will (should) win the parse everytime.

hoppy6698

My observations from PR raids.

Grp setup - Bruiser (me), Monk, Dirge, Fury, Brigand, Assassin

An odd grp to say the least, but we had tons of DPS.

From fight to fight, the monk and I would run about 200 DPS difference, trading off who was on top due to temp buffs (crane flock, KO, etc).

After discussing DPS tactics with him however, Im usually on top by a marginal spread, but more often than not.

I would say we are pretty close overall tho.

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Vertogue

I out Dps the Monk Regularly in raids and he has more melee crit and master CA's than I do ...both of us have our epics and Doomcoil Baton as weapons ...Ill crack the top in Parses every blue moon but usually in the top 5-6.

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Dravendar

Bruisers have MUCH LOWER dps potential than monks.

Reason?: Your chances of getting into a raiding guild as a bruiser (and staying) is much lower than if you were a monk. The dps disparity is negligible and the raid benefits are tremendous vs a bruiser's hate mod and CA dmg increase. Although I love my bruiser since day 1, he is nothing more than an afterthought when it comes to the endgame.

malos

This is sad but a true statement even more so since ROK release.

Orochan

I disagree only in the sense that if you excel greatly at your class then raids will pick you up regardless, but yes for the most part @ endgame bruisers are one of the least favored classes to have in a raid, but hey the way I see it I'd rather pick a good bruiser over a bad ( insert class X ) any day.

I find it actually sad that a lot of people turn down awesome players because they love a class that SOE likes to rape.

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