Epheo

So i have been reading previous posts about dps. And for some reason i still cannot get my dps up there (i am a nonraider). Right now i have Deklium Cudgel and Knuckle Dusters for weapons (will get my epic soon). I am level 80 and have 5 pieces of quarrelsome set (not the boots or gloves.) sry i dont have time at the moment to get all my gear linked. I will get on later tonight to post the full stats of my gear.

For aa's i have agi/wis/int lines (will be switching to 448 agi 445 sta 44861 agi and 448 int when my respec price resets.) In the bruiser tree i maxed out knockouts for dps and got drag of course.

I have tried spamming CA's, ca then auto ca then auto, and ca ca auto ca ca auto....nothing seems to work. any suggestions?

If this still isnt enough info i will try to get on tonight again and give stats on everything i have...im just really tired of getting a 1k-1.4k zw when i should be getting 2k in most groups :|

oo117

All CA's AD3 / M1 or just AD1?

on short fights i spam CA's, on long fights i spam with knockout then CA - Auto - CA or CA - CA - Auto. depends on if i have any haste improvement utility in the group.
And i use ACT to figure out the best way to max my DPS.

though, Knuckle Dusters Suck. Before my epic i used Deklium Battering Cudgel + Star of Mornings Glory (or what it's called)

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malos

My aa set up is currently full wis and intel with 4,4,& 8 agil. My weapons are close to yours but I don't use the knuckle duster anymore. I think I am using fist of pain with the cudgel you are using. With equipment I am setting solo at 734 strgth, 36%crit, 32 haste, 14 dps mod and 2 to double attack. Sorry I am a dummard when it comes to linking my equipment.

Solo I usually will run about 800-1000dps without spamming ca's and on short fights. I agree that on short every day norrath fights spamming ca's is ok and will make a good burst dps. On those longer fights 2mins or greater I let the mt generate some aggro once that is done I will open up with eye rip, then knockout and I will use my two quickest refreshing ca's then I open up with the longest refreshers gut punch, haymaker, double stomp, ect. This way I can usually get gut punch and the other hard hitters off once more before the fight ends. The other night in a raid my best parse was 1798 ext dps for a single fight and that was without any haste or melee buffs from any other class since I was in the crap caster group. My haste was 32 from my equipment and dps mod ranging from 14 to 45 depending on my ring proc. I finished zone wide with about 1187 dps and was ninja afk on some of those.

When I am in a group with a dirge and inquisitor my dps jumps to roughly 1700 without pushing and 2300 going hard core. It could go higher if I had an Illusionist/coerecer in that group and even more so if both enchanters were present.

I would say to get the best dps out of your toon is get in the right group if possible that is where my bruiser shines his best is with support.

Crabbok

Your dps can rise alot if you consider shifting the focus of your gear. I would aim for having the highest STR you can achieve. I think you can get at least 800+ STR solo from group instance gear, so aim for HIGH STR gear. Also try and get your melee crit as high as you can. Both STR and Crit apply to autoattack AND CA's.

Additionally, DPS modifier is highly important. Make sure you adorn your gear. Buy the adornments for neck and throwing weapon that give +12 DPS. DPS makes a huge difference on autoattacks. Also use the tynnonium imbued band of Strength, as it's usually always up, and gives a nice boost.

Lastly, chain your CAs. Always hit CAs as they are up, arrange them from short recast to long recast to take full advantage of Knockout. Start off with Baton FLurry, to reduce your overall CA casting + Recovery to under 1 second, and then get a haste item to make yoru autoattack fit in every 3 CAs automatically. You should never "Pause" to allow autoattacks to hit. Always spam CAs as they are up.

And temps.... Don't use Knockout and Crane Flock at the same time. It's a waste. You loose the full benefit of each temp when you stop to cast another temp while the 1st is ticking. So hit Knockout, then SPAM CAs, then when its expired feel free to use crane flock.

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Novusod

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the Deklium Cudgel and Knuckle Dusters have different delays on them with 4 seconds and 2.5 seconds respectively. Having weapons with different delays on them can lower you DPS considerably. Try to get either two 4 second weapons or two 2.5 second weapons. If you don't raid then rare drop fabled out of CoA will be your best bet or your heroic epic weapon.

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Epheo

thanks a lot. I will try that. I talked to a bruiser in butcherblock and he said that i need to get melee crit up first and foremost. I am working on that first. My str is about 700 solo buffed right now. I will try to boost that too.

I was told that Crit > haste > DA > dps...is that correct or is there a modification to that? Right now i have 38% solo crit 29 haste 2 dps and 9 da. I want to try to get the crit up first...keep the haste at a minimum of 25 (use the cloak until i get the blue shiny chokodai belt) trying to get a min of 10-20 da (epic will help with that and SoD) as for dps that isnt my focus but i can use adorns once i am happy with my gear.

Crabbok

Crit>STR>DPS>DA>Haste IMO, haste being at the end because there are certain ranges of haste that are good, but adding smaller +attack speed mods don't USUSALLY make a difference if you are chaining CAs like you should be.

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Splorch

Haste Item was more the general idea(ie an item with the word haste and 25+ attack speed) not just attack speed in general. having one of those items (imo) is better especially when you hit crane flock as its the difference between getting 4-5 hits off and getting 5-7 hits off.

Double attack in general though is starting to rank higher on my list these days though. Haven't really had enough gear to have the ability to play with my double attack as much as I'd like.

Crabbok

Double attack Is indeed nice, though not as nice as DPS modifier. Here is why: Any DPSing bruiser should have crane flock. When you hit crane flock, any double attack you have is wasted, as you get 100% DA from that AA.... granted it's just a temp, but for that duration you waste yoru DA bonus from gear, but can still take full advantage of DPS gear.

Crane flock makes DPS mod just a little bit more advantageous than double attack, but both are still good.

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Beldin

Does the DPS adornment on throwing weapons really also work for melee damage ?

I was never sure about that, because ranged and melee is seperated if we look into procs, crits and DA.

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