Philo_Beddoe

If I had your gear I would think the same thing.

Our mytical is a enourmous upgrade, it bascially gives us tsunami.

But before that we have zero "oh shit" defensive abilities.

No adrenaline, tower of stone, tsunami or divine aura.

Nothing, hit your heal, then splat.

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gungo

Ill say this disregarding the general, fighter, brawler lines since both brawlers get them and some of them don't stack with both brawlers on raid.

The bruiser line is nice, but there is nothing in the bruiser line really worth taking a bruiser on raid over a monk. Caste haste is still king in the monk vs bruiser argument.

Now will a raid take a bruiser in addition to a monk and whatever new combo of fighters is preferred. I still don't see it. Enchanters and bards are even better now. Dps do alot more dps etc. Some of the other fighters are better raidwide. Bruisers get a bit more dps and alot more tank stuff. But I still do not see a spot for 2 brawlers in raids. We needed enough utility that will say to most guild leaders hey lets have a monk, bruiser, paladin/zerker and guard in raid.

Imho we still dont have that. This is not saying what we got so far is bad. I like the tank stuff. It just doesnt address the issue. If we would of gotten the raid wide reuse instead of what we got i would see guilds run both brawlers. But we didn't.

gungo

tanking you will be fine if you know what your doing and gear selection.

Disturbed

Meh i've been fine getting guilds, its alwaus been about the person playing over the class. we always run two brawlers and been few times were one of us is OT and one of us is MT on avatars etc due to tanks be un-available. But i know for a basic bruiser its shit and that needs changing.

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Trumak

hey philo remember when you were talking all that shit about how I wouldn't betray?

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Crabbok

Welcome back home Trumak!

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Prugor

Damn, that sucks Gungo. The reuse timer buff would have been nice, if not the smartest thing to do to the brawler class.

Philo_Beddoe

I tank instances fine, tanked every bit of heroic content in the game.

But that doesnt change the fact that bruisers still dont have any inate form of "oh shit" physical damage immunity like all the other fighter classes do.

Sure we get it on our mythical, but that is not in reach for alot of us.

Not a single guild on my server that can kill silverwing wants a bruisers to raid with. They either have one or are not interested.

In fact their are only 2 bruisers on my server that are not alts or did not buy them, that have their mythicals.

Also T1-T3 has almost no brawler gear outside the class sets and doom coils weapon (which i have).

Then you get to VP and its a brawlerr loot pinata.

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Philo_Beddoe

lol, well grats to you.

you are probably gimping your raid by not giving them your monk raid wide buff but if your raid leader doesnt care, have at it

but you will probably personally be more powerful

assuming the dps diffence between the two classes is what you say it is

I am assuming you have all your masters, after you get your mythical.

Please post the dps zonewide difference monk vs bruiser, the tanking difference, and how much dps your raid loses by not having your monk raid wide.

It should be interesting to see.

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gungo

I will put this simply. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Even if we are given another o shit ability in addition to the bruiser mythical, which is highly likely with the new aa's. That still makes no difference in a raid desiring a bruiser. In fact we can get a shit ton of tanking stuff in the new aa's with several tanking buffs and o shit abilities. And brawlers in general still don't fulfill a role in raids that warrant more then 1 brawler still. Thats the problem.

If monk and bruisers both had a great raid wide, we would take the spot of dps in raids. the guard will still mt, and a paladin, zerk can still offtank those avatar like multi encounter swarm adds.