Mimn

Ok now in a raid combat haste is really pretty much a useless stat for EVERYONE. With troubs illusionists zerkers ect and items that can reach 35 haste alone the 24 raidwide haste = 125 ca damage. We can argue that till we are blue in the face. I am saying reuse timers for EVERYONE to a skill that only benifits casters is unbalanced. I am not saying it needs to be gone but it needs to be a resue on Spells only as monks and nearly every dps scout bruisers and warriors does not benifit at all from it. My issue is this the plus 125 ca helps you as much as haste helps us. But our casting haste does little for us ((basically none )) while a reuse timer would help your class greatly as you have slower recovering ca's.

Also dont tell me the shit about the monks being the tank and the bruisers being dps. Look good and hard at your mythical and tell me its not set to tank with too.

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Crabbok

If you don't see the value in a permanent casting speed reduction, Yes, even for CAs, then you are a fucking retard.
Obviously a Sorc or Shaman benefits the most from it, but the bottom line is that monks raidwide buff has 2 buffs, that affect EVERYONE. Your priests and mages can also take advantage of the haste, because they can autoattack too, and the melee folks benefit from the casting reduction.
Don't think casting speed for CA's make a difference? Try speccing for Chi one of these days and test it out...

And to say that our raidwide shoudl only affect priests and mages.... while monks affects everyone is balanced? What the fuck game are you playing? Honestly?

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Orochan

LOL QFE crabbok, I can't believe some monk just told us that a "balanced" buff for a bruiser would be one that doesn't even help our class LMAO.

That's like saying mages should get self buffs that give 5% melee crit LOLOLOL.

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Mimn

Ok let me thow this back to you then. What would you rather have 12% faster casting of CA's? or faster reuse of ca's. You can't honeslty that the reuse espically for a bruiser is leaps and bounds better and would make you already higer dps even more then a monks??? Because even with what i have I would rather have the faster reuse as a MONK then the .06 of a second faster casting ca.

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Crabbok

Obviously I'd rather have 12% re-use, as it's impact is more significant.

However I'd also rather have 12% re-use than taunt-detaunts and 112 CA damage that doesn't affect 1/2 my CA's because I'm capped already.

The whole point you are arguing is that you think that our raid buff would be better for us while soloing, as you don't feel your buff is usefull to you while soloing, because you have so much haste already you don't see an impact. My reponse to that would be FUCK SOLOING. It's a RAID buff... so the better it is, the better for the OTHER 23 people.

Also I dunno where you got 12% re-use from. I wans't aware any official number had been posted yet.

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malos

Why then can monks keep spell and melee haste as a raid wide buff and a bruiser should only have a +spell reuse? Sorry but bruisers are not the spiritual brawler. Bruisers are evil and physical fighters and have nothing to do with spell casting. The + to reuse should be melee only for a bruiser buff. If any class would need a + to spell reuse it should be the shadow knights.

Honestly I don't care if a monk can/is better dps. Personally I wish you monks would out dps assassins cause it doen't matter. If monks do/could get all that dps then I want bruisers being able to tank better. There needs to be a difference between the brawlers. If both brawlers equally tank and dps then why have two of them?

Right now monks and bruisers dps is so close other players have a hard time telling who is the offensive brawler. When the crap hits the fan a monk can pull things off a bruiser can't and still dps better or equal too and use less power doing it.
Bruisers are combat art oriented where monks are autoattack oriented. I am sure you already know that so I am not trying to insult your inteligence. Been that way from the start. Bruiser might....might have a slight advantage on a short 20 sec fight, but after that it is a monks fight.

Honestly if monks can have both a melee/spell haste then a bruiser should be able to have a +to reuse for combat arts and not spells. Also monks are not spell casters either they are fighters but you don't here me yelling that monks shouldn't have the spell haste removed and have only melee haste.

Mimn

I said 12% or 6% in another post as i was thowing out an example nuber. hell an ammout that lowers the reuse is huge even if its 2%. And i AM look at raids hun. Raidwide combat haste means NOTHING to a monk and very little to everyone else. I guess we can factor in that killer mage autoattack damage but whatever.

This is my point its is pretty much agreed on that by equal players with good buffs that a bruiser will outparse a monk. You are getting a dead skill that didnt help you in any way ((which i agree needed to be changed)) and getting something that not only benifits the raid but yourself greatly. The raidwide casting skill does lil to nothting for a monk and you are getting as bruisers not only a good skill that helps the raid but ups your dps. But whatever if you cant see that as fair I dont know what else to say.

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malos

Mimm I love most of your posts but I can't see where a bruiser getting something that actually helps others and the bruiser is a bad thing.

A monk as I see it is a strong class. Monks can dps equally or better than bruisers and do it using less power. Monks also have better utility (minor but better). Monks take less buffs to get great dps where a bruiser will need at least three melee buff classes just to get close/equal to the monk.

Most of the time dps margins are to close and what if a bruiser can actually be better dps than a monk. What has the monk lost if that truely happens?

I was in the same group with a monk the other night in SOH. Only two buff classes being a dirge and an inquisitor. Most of the time my bruiser was only ahead of the monk by 100-250 dps. The thing that I find interesting is that I was running out of power where the monk wasn't even at half power on most fights and I do not spam ca's either.

So that leads me to believe that the monk wasn't even trying and was relying more on auto attack where my bruiser had to use his best combat arts more frequently just to dps. The buffs are only temporary with the dirge and inquizzy as well.

Also where is it said that this buff is being changed for bruisers? I can't find any offical statement or post of this.

Mimn

I am not saying that it doesnt need changing hun but if the reuse is for all skills not just casting spells Its is an overshot. Monks really do not benifit at all from their haste and casting speed buff. Giving bruisers faster reuse is like giving monks plus dps mod. They are basically getting the best possible buff as a self buff as a raidwide too. Because look at the differnce on burst fights vs long fights monks pull closer but if bruisers can burst more during a long fight then bruisers on both fights will outparse monks even more.

Really if they do that one of the forms of the monks haste needs to be changed to a double attack or something. I can hit self buffed over 140 haste. that is over the soft cap and makes any kind of buff of haste really close to worthless to me.

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Crabbok

A monk saying bruisers should only buff mages, and that nobody gets any benefit from 20% haste.... Ya.

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