Crabbok

I'm in a high end raiding guild and we also have a monk. Our monk is a monster... and I'm not too shabby myself. Now when we both have even groups... we are pretty well balanced in terms of DPS. But there is more than just DPS to take into consideration.

The real reason I"m hoping our raid buff is the best it can possibly be is for utility. Hell I'd love for the bruiser raid buff to be 50% reuse if it coudl be.. even if it applied to everyone EXCEPT the caster... simply because I want my raidwide buff to be as usefull as possible to my raid.

And sure I think it'd be cool if monks gave something besides the attack speed bonus... since so many classes buff that nowadays anyhow... but still... as a class with zero inherent haste I love the extra 20 something I get from a monk being in raid.

Monks also have certain other utilities that bruiser do not, such as group FD and targetable heal.... so giving bruiser an amazing raid buff still wouldn't fuck up balance much at all imo.

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malos

This is where I agree whole heartedly Crabbok. I will say this any monk would be crazy thinking that the bruiser offensive stance is better than a constant haste that monks get. Engulf is a "chance" to proc. It isn't a guarantee that it will proc at all. Monk haste is continuous as long as a monk has the ability in use.

Bruisers are a great class, but like Crabbok mentioned they are not wanted by most guilds. Bruisers do not have a single utility for a group at ALL. Please understand that. NOTHING AT ALL. Yeah monks have a heal that is castable on others "but it is on a longer timer". Monks have group feign death "but the reuse timer is to long". Bruiser's do not need to wait for their group utility to refresh cause we don't have one or wait two even.

I find it hard to believe that people can't see this or better yet they know it but do not acknowledge it. Monks want to out dps bruisers (and they do most of the time), yet are able to heal (save someones ass occasionally), oops wait the main tank is going down "I better step in and use the tsunami/peel combo and monk could possibly get group out of this bad situation" or hell that "attempt" failed so now it is time to "attempt" to save the whole damn group so press group fd.

I guess in reality monks should be able to tank, have one of the best raid wide buffs in the game that benefits melee, healers, and mage players, have two nice utilities, and be in the top five in dps parses! Yet wait oh hell no a bruiser might actually bring something like more dps than monks to a group or raid!!! This cannot possibly be!!! EEEK!!

/rant off.

Novusod

I would think that if a Bruiser gets a decent raid wide buff the raiding guilds would find a place to have both brawlers in their raids. Monks often got sat out of raids during the KoS/EoF era and SoE only reversed the roles in RoK with Bruisers sitting out. I would hope that enough thought is being put into this that monks still remain viable and it is other overused and overpowered classes that get cut back.

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Mimn

And crabbock I never said that yoru agro skill was good. The bruisers needed a change i am never said that but a change like this is a 2 for 1 you are getting utility and something that benifits yourself. That is why i said something like spell only reuse earlier . I will admit yeah kinda silly on my part but with that change bruisers are getting more then utility.

Berawell bruisers are getting with buffs and gear over 125 haste in raids. Add that to your procs you get this.

200Haste monk< 125 hasted bruiser with procs. Grungo is clearing 140 haste in raids talk to him I am sorry but you will do much more auttoattack damage in that setup.

Edited for typo

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Crabbok

As far as raid guilds finding a spot for 2 brawlers in raids... well it all depends on how high they are able to parse. our monk and I top the parse regularly.

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Mimn

Well untill SOE fixes the need for a raid to justify taking 4 bards and 4 chanters there is going to be a constant fight for raid spots as 16 spots vs 20 other classes equals to classes having to sit out.

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malos

Preach on!! You are on the money with that statement. This is where most fighters suffer getting into raids currently. Hopefully this can be worked out in the future. Geez that is kinda bad when I look at that "4 bards and 4 chanters" but it is the truth.

Crabbok

Yes I'll also agree. And I believe that having the best possible raidwide buffs will facilitate that process. Imagine if all 6 fighters had raid buffs that were equivalent to like 30 DPS and 12% reuse?

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Philo_Beddoe

I personally think the changed bruiser buff should be this:

+dps and + reuse.

I think that would compliment monks

+ attack haste and + spell haste perfectly.

Think about it dirge buffs dps, troub haste

Coercer buffs dps, Illy buffs haste

monk buffs haste, bruiser buffs dps

monk make you cast quicker, bruiser makes your reuse your spells quicker

just a thought

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malos

Yes I agree Philo_Beddoe. Love the name and avaitar btw!!

If this actually ever does take place this will give some eye appeal back to the bruiser class as being a viable reason to have a bruiser for a raid or even a group setting.