gungo

I guess it depends on how it was tested. I mostly test my gear dps in korsha runs since its pretty steady through. In those runs all the adds die in under 20 secs which makes knockout and one hundred hands pretty big totals of my dps. Named die in 1-2min tops. But in longer fights where knockout wouldnt effect my zone wide as much maybe the shozuku could be better. But korsha is fun pulling out 12-13k on the trash golems and 8k zone wides. The only time i loose a little dps on my zone wide is tanking (in offensive) one of the twins with the raid split.

Crabbok

I test all of my gear on the training wall. I don't use any temps when I do.. so I'm testing for sustained dps. Granted I do it 30 seconds at a time, but thats the only constant I can see with virtually no variables. Sometimes I'll test with temps, but I've gotten to a point where my dps only goes up by about 100-200 when I use Knockout, so I really don't give a shit if it's up or not anymore. I actually sometimes like NOT to use it, because I like topping a parse and knowing that I did it without any temps.

I think the mob summoner in guild halls is gonna be awesome. Will be great for testing.

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gungo

Yea its the way its tested knockout for me in korsha adds ~2k dps to a parse. If i am lucky and get ROA on me before a pull is when i am able to pull out the 12-13k parses.

Trumak

I cannot possibly see how the shozoku proc did 12% of your dps. Say you parse 6k, you're telling me it did over 600 dps? Not a chance.

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Crabbok

12% is not the norm. Usually it's around 2%, but it has on occasion been 12%. Keep in mind the proc does more than is listed. It crits, and is improved by debuffs.

I gotta go back now and try to find some parses where it was 12%.

EDIT*= Well went back through all my logs and coundn't find any, mostly because I deleted my logs about a month ago. I do specificly remember having 12% dps from the Gi though, however I think it was while tanking RE2. All the AoE hits in there will take good advanatage of it's proc.

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gungo

The way he tested it was solo on the wall without using any temp buffs. Which means he was sitting at ~40% haste, ~35% dps, ~ 50 crit, and ~35-40% da. His auto atk was low and slow. He only did 30 sec parses which ironically is nearly perfect for a CA Spam fest. He only hit each combat at most once, except for the 10 sec recast punch and kick. He had no issues with reuse or hit rates/resists. So it is the ideal test for the shozuku. By keeping your autoatk damage low and spam all your combat arts until your timers are greyed.

I still think the vp bp set is better when not tanking and using the set boots for the 4 peice set. The shozuku and avatar boots are prolly better for most tanking though. And the extreme is the t1-t3 set bp/helm/shoulders.

Disturbed

When im on yellow cons i'll use the Shozoku unless i get shafted group wise then i'll run with the set bp. But on orange mobs i always go with my Robe of Battle, with the proc rate maxed on a 88x4 it has always out dps'd the Shozuko atleast, i can't remember if i ever bothered to test the bp in that situation as the robe is up a hell of alot and my double attack is usually not far off cap at any given time with procs. But when im on avatars i don't even touch my dps gear anyway im ready to take over and on the avatars that require it im always the second tank, right next to the MT, if not im ready to pick it up and MT it till everything is recovered, again if its required.

As for dropping certain pieces for others, i don't usually do that either, i never take of my avatar boots for example even though i have the set boots/pawbuster ones. The reason for that is that they are too much of a life saver if something should fuck up, don't get me wrong 90% of the time it's not needed but i'd sooner be ready when someone ld's into shit or w/e crappy reason that may crop up. Thats my view on it anyway, im not in the app stage of my guild where i have to top parses to prove im worth taking along, and im not one of those people who has to top parses to prove to themseleves they are worthwhile in the raid either, the way i see it is if you do go down the road where all your care about is dps then you might aswell be replaced by a pure dps class because the time when you are needed (regardless if its something stupid or not) you'll end up getting 2 shotted.

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Crabbok

Nice post Efob. That again is one of the reasons why I like the Shozoku. It's high mit makes it one of those good All Around pieces.

I like this thread. In a way I'm gratefull that there are a pretty fair amount of gear options for us. In some previous expansions there has been a tendency to have one 1 real set of gear. Here there are multiple and those choices make me smile.

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Traxor

Invasion of bruiser forums !

Rainment is Beast. Swear

Ok. edit: no one really believes it but ill point out some stuff

The level of crits you get with this bp is just insane. Take careful notice of how you dont get 90% crits at all with this crazy 50% thats too much. If you are hitting 92% its not enough really. These ca's like Five rings (for me) crit first hit for 2500 + following with 2200 crits. Normally without the bp im lucky to get 1600 crits on all hits. Thats 8k damage vs 11.5k.

and so on with Rising phoenix usually 3-3.5k but with bp its max is raised to 5k

The funny thing is the bp should be 1.6/m just because it proc's off of CA's . Its up a lot.

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Azraël

What turns me on about Rainment is teh 50% crit and CA bonus.
The thing is, that with this hudge ammount of crits on ONE single item, that allows to remove some other pieces with crit and replace them with DA or defensive gear without sacrificing dps.
However i doubt my guild drop it again before TSO and give it to a brawler in priority since they want it on scouts first : /

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