Signet of Betrayal and Jewel of Anamosity - Page 2

Chix · 03-20-2009, 12:32 PM

The proc is about 1.4k with decent INT, then factor in crits and mitigation debuffs on the mob... average hit from this ring should be just about 3K damage.

Regardless though, I would say this is a DPS ring as well.

Orochan · 03-20-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by serum321

You're assuming 1k proc = 1k hate, which it doesn't. No one can be certain, but its probably more like 2k hate.

1 point of damage = 1 point of hate, so yes we can be certain.

Disturbed · 03-20-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Orochan

1 point of damage = 1 point of hate, so yes we can be certain.

Base.

Gosta Dirk · 03-20-2009, 01:40 PM

And a SK Tank has very nice int, so the proc for him is more than 1k also..

Anyways, I'm just saying it increases the parse from him, and he does not have any problem tanking with it..
Not that he gains more hate from it at all..

Daekan · 03-22-2009, 12:02 AM

Thanks, guys. I guess I didn't see the "not" part, and yet it would make sense it's not a tank item since it's -threat at top of hate list. Now isn't threat and aggression two different hate tables?

Azraël · 03-22-2009, 12:10 PM

Agression is the skill to taunt. You get resisted if aggression is low.
Threat is your aggro. heals, damage, taunts etc..

Skratt · 03-22-2009, 04:48 PM

Yes but you forget crabby... pallys/sk have high spellcrit meaning avg signet hit will be 2200 dmg * 2x hate mod = 4400 hate............ IMHO cause of spellcrit crusaders really bennefit the most from it

Pinski · 03-22-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Skratt

Yes but you forget crabby... pallys/sk have high spellcrit meaning avg signet hit will be 2200 dmg * 2x hate mod = 4400 hate............ IMHO cause of spellcrit crusaders really bennefit the most from it

How do you get 2x hate mod, when hate mod caps at 50%......

Gator · 03-22-2009, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Crabbok

2K if the paladin has 100% hate mod, which he isn't likely to have. But either way even if he somehow managed that it would STILL be overall negative threat for each instance of the ring proccing.

From here , wich is also wrong in the fact that Its not possible to 100% hate mod , and that it is posible to not have a - threat while intop the hate list

It would be more along the lines of

2200 Proc Damage X 50% Hate mod = 1100 Add'ed Threat
1100 Add'ed threat + 2200 Proc Damage = 3300 Total Threat
3300 Total threat - 3000 from being ontop = +300 Positive Threat Per Proc

so you are still not losing threat if he has a proper MT group setup and good gear/stats.

This is IMO a very good tank ring for Crusaders with the stats it has on it if they are in a proper setup and gear , It is even Better if they are in the OT roll , It also adds damage wich kills the mob faster and still has a small threat increase even with the - proc if your ontop of the hate list , Its not the same for the other fighters though , its for DPS for them for the most part , since they will not have nearly the same amount of spell damage and crit

Of corse these numbers are not giong to work for every tank - and there are alot of variables - but I seen on the parse were the avarage damage from that proc was over 2200 before , so I find it safe to use that number at the least and still see that it does not yeild a - to your threat

Harowen · 03-23-2009, 11:50 AM

Prior to the SK revamp this ring was pretty much necessary for an SK to be able to not have aggro control problems.

As Gator stated, for a crusader, particularly SK's due to the high int, the proc on this ring is going to be positive hate generation regardless of which position on the hate list they are in.

You've also got to factor in that the mob will be debuffed too, which will give about another 50% more damage on the hit. I'm a coercer, so my int runs a bit higher than our SK's is, and I have top end hits of my signet's proc just barely clearing 4k.