Signet of Betrayal and Jewel of Anamosity

Daekan · 03-19-2009, 02:43 PM

Hey guys,

First time posting (other than for a VP raid). Nice to meet you!

Just needing feedback and understanding on Signet of Betrayal and Jewel of Anamosity.

I picked up the jewel last Sunday, and I notice an improvement in DPS. My % overall damage for crush went up about 10%, but the side effect sure does hurt. Just wanting to know how others think of this ring. As long as I'm not in mega AOE boss fights, I've been keeping the ring on.

Also, Signet of Betrayal. My raid alliance defaulted to the Paladin MT uncontested. I didn't mind if the tanked rolled on it, but uncontested struck a chord with me. I don't see how it's a tanking ring, to be honest, and it's been argued with me that it's the best until a TSO upgrade. Help me with this one.

It has Aggression +6 and procs 1k-ish, but it also reduces threat by over 3k and at the same time (or in the order of things) increases threat by over 2k. That, to me, is an overall threat reduction. The Aggression +6 trumps that?

I'm told that if the MT is #1 on hate list, he/she will drop to #2. And if on the #2, the tank will raise to #1. The latter also makes no sense since both threat procs say "top of the hate list", so it would have to be on their own merit then to get back to #1.

Couple this with a Paladin's amends is what I'm told makes this ring awesome for Paladins because then they wouldn't lose hate.

But the off-tank is still pulling hate off of our MT. Then I'm pulling hate in tank spec (Bruising stance but with Jewel) in the dps group, and I'm #2-4 on the parse (ave. 4~5k a fight, 3.5k zone-wide with tank ave. 2.5k a fight).

I feel this is better for off-tanks followed by scouts/DPS followed by mages. I primarly play as full-on DPS spec (STR48802, AGI48802, INT488, knockouts, and all offensive TSO) and find the Signet to be an awesome addition.

This is only my 2nd time in SoH and new to the EQ2 raiding community, so I'm ready to hear where I'm wrong in my thinking.

Thanks,
Sudden

Crabbok · 03-19-2009, 02:50 PM

Signet is a dps piece, not a tanking piece. Defaulting to to the MT is stupid.

Lubitup · 03-19-2009, 10:16 PM

Hands down.. its is a DPS item.
Going to a tank is idiotic at best.

They did have changes on test to make it if you were a fighter to raise..
And not to lower hate.

But as you can see that did not go thru.

Rhajiid · 03-20-2009, 05:35 AM

Yes, it's a dps item.

No, it doesn't say "top of the hate list" twice. It reads -3k if on top of the hate list, +2k if NOT at the top of the hate list.

Nevertheless... you won't lose aggro as a tank because of the signet if you're well equipped and know what you're doing. (And you won't get it just for some item like this if you don't!

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For a Pala, it's definitely a nice item as it has all MC, SC, HC as well as melee and spell damage. But the argumentation... no.

Gosta Dirk · 03-20-2009, 06:05 AM

You can use it to tank with also, because the dps it adds to your parse is more than the deaggro proc..
In my old Guild we had a SK (Yes I know they are overpowered as it is) he could MT with Signet any day, on any mob..
Not a problem..

But saying that, I will have to agree that I think it should go to dps before tanks also..

Crabbok · 03-20-2009, 09:05 AM

How does 1K damage make up for -3K hate?

And yeah a high dps'ing fighter "Can" still hold aggro with that ring, but if he can hold aggro well, all the more reason to give the signet to a dps.

Gosta Dirk · 03-20-2009, 09:54 AM

In numbers it might not be the same, but with the hate they can generate the 1k dps is worth alot for them..
That's what he said anyways when bidding for it..

Crabbok · 03-20-2009, 10:11 AM

thats silly. You see every time that 1K dps procs, he's ALSO getting -3K hate, so he's really proccing -2K hate overall each time. Your paladin is either Stupid, or just greedy.

serum321 · 03-20-2009, 11:14 AM

You're assuming 1k proc = 1k hate, which it doesn't. No one can be certain, but its probably more like 2k hate.

Crabbok · 03-20-2009, 11:45 AM

2K if the paladin has 100% hate mod, which he isn't likely to have. But either way even if he somehow managed that it would STILL be overall negative threat for each instance of the ring proccing.