Class direction of Bruisers: DPS or TANKS - Page 21

kymbo · 05-13-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Aeren

Sorry, but Brawlers are a hybrid class that is designed (or was) to both be able to dps and tank. Being hybrid, that means you sacrifice some tanking ability to dps.

If you want to MT all the time do not roll a fucking brawler, period.

Odd, I was under the impression that zerkers and SK's were the hybrid classes and that brawlers were just plain broken...

kymbo · 05-13-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Aeren

Enhancement line idea gives you the ability to specialize your role. Hybrid, Dps or Tanking. Assuming you read Crabboks explanation earlier about his idea, it will ensure those brawlers like yourself that prefer to tank get a boost in that area, people like Crabbok that prefer dps get a boost in that, and the others who like the class the way it is get a bit of both worlds (though still improving the class, obviously).

Yeah I like Crab's idea, at least it gives us some sort of direction. It sounds like a large change that sony might not make though unless there is a simple way for them to impliment it.

They could fix the STA line. Maybe make that line more of a tanking oriented line? Monks would also like that. Or they could just delete it. That works too. Less useless places on the brawler screen to accidently drop a point into...

Aeren · 05-13-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kymbo

Odd, I was under the impression that zerkers and SK's were the hybrid classes and that brawlers were just plain broken...

Theres a big difference here. One, they wear plate. Two, they have more tanking capabilities.

You dont have a zerker in a raid for a dps spot. Hes there to MT or OT. Thats it, period. Same for SKs. There is the rare guild here or there that will allow an sk a dps position in the raid but majority roll without one.

Brawlers are typically in the raid because they are slot fillers. It helps prevent double ups/triple ups and the group buffs do bring some benefit.

kymbo · 05-13-2009, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Aeren

Theres a big difference here. One, they wear plate. Two, they have more tanking capabilities.

You dont have a zerker in a raid for a dps spot. Hes there to MT or OT. Thats it, period. Same for SKs. There is the rare guild here or there that will allow an sk a dps position in the raid but majority roll without one.

Brawlers are typically in the raid because they are slot fillers. It helps prevent double ups/triple ups and the group buffs do bring some benefit.

yeah I know, i'm just mocking our classes current state because they call us hybrids yet tanks SPEC'D DPS can also OUT DPS us... Making us broken....

Aeren · 05-14-2009, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kymbo

yeah I know, i'm just mocking our classes current state because they call us hybrids yet tanks SPEC'D DPS can also OUT DPS us... Making us broken....

Thats definitely true. We need some major SoE loving.

Ajeco · 05-14-2009, 06:24 PM

Here's how I see it. Having enchant lines, where only one can be chosen, creates more subclasses. In the end, we'll have raid guild looking for buffage bruisers, whereas DPS bruisers and tank bruisers would be left out. The only thing that mitigates this somewhat is the mirror respec.

It's how I see it.

The whole system screams for an overhaul, but the managment is too scared to do it because of the NGE, although class overhauling/merging wouldn't come close to the NGE in my eyes, since the core would still be the same and the classes would still be the same, there would just be less of them and they'd be a better version of their former selves.

Not to mention the itemisation corner they're painting themselves into...

I really think, though, that a system overhaul is bad for the game half through the expansion and needs to be targeted at the next level increase.

Uglak · 05-15-2009, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ajeco

I really think, though, that a system overhaul is bad for the game half through the expansion and needs to be targeted at the next level increase.

This.

Not that my guild is far through Bastion, but there's some content in there that makes having extra tanks in raid A Good Thing. If this is a trend, then I think it's a good thing.

Prugor · 05-16-2009, 03:32 PM

Honestly merging both brawler classes and giving them both the best of both classes wouldn't be a bad idea. But if SOE did it, without input from both sides, they would horribly screw it up and make the merged class worse then both classes are right now.

Atleast if merged, our raidwide would be interesting.