Novusod

Now that the fighter revamp has been rolled back the Devs have given us an opportunity to give serious feedback what the community wants with us Bruisers. A few years back the same opportunity was given the Berserkers and when the Zerker community decided they wanted to be tanks they where given the upgrades they needed to do their job. So lets not squander this chance to set a direction for our class and pick a role so the devs at least know what we the Bruiser Community wants.

Option 1: WE ARE TANKS

Bruisers are tankers that have the same survivability and dps as plate tanks. We want our taunts upgraded. We want snap agro and survivability. Abilities such as rock skin are changed to a stone skin ability that doesn't stun. We want the highest avoidance and the mobs to hate us for their inability to hurt us. We want high AoE auto attacks and Blue AoE taunts to hold agro on multiple mobs.

Option 2: WE ARE DPS

Bruisers are more like scouts than fighters and we want to do more dps. We want to make the parse every bit as much as a rouge would and will put up equal numbers. We want useless tank abilities changed into something that damages the mob. We want swashbuckler type AoE autoattack and triple the debuff of Eye Rip so it hurts the mob as much as Dispatch. We can tank an instance in a pinch if no other tank can be found but our primary role is dps.

Option 3: WE ARE HYBRIDS

Bruisers are a combination of both DPS and Tanks. This option means Bruisers stay where they have been for the last two years. Do not change our current role. We can tank instances fine and also some raid content. We have respectable DPS but nothing too high, parsing around 75% of what a rouge would. Give us some AoE auto attack to keep us on the parse and we will be fine.

Option 4: OTHER

Explain what we want.

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curuw

i voted four
you want to be like sks dont you? (=1337 and OP)

gungo

Make monks tanks and bruisers dps problem solved

If anyone has a prefered play style they can betray.

Brannigan

Thank you Novusod for getting this up and going. We need focus if we are to get anything like what we want. This is a great opportunity to get us right.
I still think that our tanking roll might better fit the OT spot rather than the MT in most of the high end epic fights. Heroic encounters we should have no less survivability than any other fighter. Bruisers should be the “insta agro” fighter that can ether take a mob for a while so the healers can catch up the MT, deal with incoming adds, drag a mage focused mob back to the killing zone or simply tank the bitch till they get the poor old meat shield back on his feet. I don’t think we should be the MT even though I was born to tank. Our survivability on epics should be based on combining a limited amount of abilities that makes us the perfect OT. I do believe that our agro should be dps based though which would counter balance our lack in sustained continue-to-exist-ness.
I think Gilasil put it best “For me the bottom line is that bruisers MUST have a role in the vast majority of groups and raids which players buy into i.e. it must become a commonly accepted fact among players quickly that bruisers fit this role”
Bottom line everyone needs to know what a Bruiser is and does.

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Exco

Isnt a Bruiser one that holds aggro with DPS and Tanks with avoidance over mitigation. So to me all they really have to do is up our dps about 25%ish and up our avoidance about 5%ish that should really take care of everything.

I dont want to be pure dps and I dont want to be purely a tank.

I have a question if we are pure DPS what good are we in a raid? Who would take a DPS bruiser over a wizard, assassin, warlock or ranger?

I picked Hybrid but more towards DPS because thats what I think our class should be with some tweaks.

Crabbok

so many mixxed voices. Really we need some new AA's that represent serious choices. IE AA's that boost one area while hurt another area. That and consolidate classes.

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Azraël

Hybrid.
I picked the class cause we have flexibility.
I can tank in a group no problem as much as i can get some nice parse numbers if we already have a plate tank.
I like the possibility to swap gear and turn into a megatank or some good dps, OR even mix both of them without sucking at both depending on the role i've been asigned to.
I don't want recast on stances, i want useless spells like rock skin which NOBODY EVER uses to be changed insto something i can use, not some overpowered shit that will allow me to press a "godlike" button and do the job for me. Also change lightning fists, keep the duration but no trigger limit, or put some higher numbers on those damn triggers.
My tanking is fine right now i have nothing to complain about, all that was shit and i whinned about in RoK, they fixed it through AAs. I got a triggerable stoneskin, a stoneskin proc, my D&C gets position increase and can lock the whole encounter, my dps is just fine as it is now.
It's not because i don't get in the parse that my class don't have enough dps, it's just because some other classes are fucking overpowered.
My concern now is group aggro really. It's a damn pain in the ass to keep all those zerging encounters in some instance on you. And since they beat like fucking hell you barely have your shitty group taunt back up that a member of your group died already, preferably a healer.

So yeah, AoE aggro since it's the majority of encounters in Tso, change of lightning fist into a temporary DPS badass shit, and rock skin into an aggro thing like maybe threat increase on hit received. Also take a good look at intercede section in EoF AA tree, it sux. Make the STA column worth something, and teh WIS maybe more efficent considering the actual needs.

For the rest i'd say we're quite fine, just fix the overpowered classes !

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malos

Well I think that that the true raid tanking aspect of the game should fall on the plates.

My only concern if they did make bruisers true dps then we would probably have positional attacks like swashbucklers do. We would be continuously moving to front, flank, or back just to complete certain ca's.

Most of you are correct that bruisers are ok where they are now but again dps seems to be where bruisers should be higher than the other fighters considering we can't truely tank like the plates and we of all the fighters have the absolute least groupability when it comes to utility.

Now I don't want bruiserd become a group buff toon either. We have enough with dirges/troubs and the illusionist as it is now.

As far as hybrids go being able to tank and dps somewhat is even covered with the rogues since they too can tank and do much better dps than we can if properly geared/buffed/played.

So again I am thinking that if we did become a pure dps type of toon we might see a whole different approach to how we do that dps. Might need to be careful there.

AA's could be the area where it would be possible to be able to tank close but not as good as the plates and if tanking isn't the players perfered style or even if the situation calls for dps we can make that happen too.

Carlan

I myself voted on the Hybrid side of things, with a lean more towards the dpsing. I have always liked dps more than I did tanking, but I never did like the scout classes, bruiser just seemd to fit, so while I'd like to be able to tank sometimes, I'd rather DPS most of the time.

Gosta Dirk

You mean Hybrid ?

I voted Hybrid also, but as many say, I lean more towards dps cause that is mostly what I do in raids..

But mowing the tank ability from us completely, that would mean that I would have to roll another toon again, and I'm so not interested in that..

Give us a fucking Tanks stance where you can use tank abilities and a dps stance where we can do dps..

Problem fixed..