Will It Ever Happen? - Page 2

AdaM pErSOn · 05-22-2009, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Novusod

Actually Bruisers were in much better shape at release then they are now. If you remember the dev Blackguard he played a bruiser and he put in a good word for us. Avoidance tanking actually worked back then even if it was a bit OP and our dps was up there with assassin. Also at release it wasn't all about the end game. Just getting to level 50 was not a trivial task it is now and the bruiser was pretty much the only class that could solo. The DoF expansion came out just 7 months after release so it didn't leave a lot of time to finish the grind and raid before the level cap was raised.

Also DoF was not a bad time to be a bruiser either. The Bruiser made it through the LU13 nerfs relatively intact because Blackguard would not allow his pet class to be nerfed. Also some DoF epics auto attacked with poison damage instead of crushing which made Bruisers the best tank while other tanks could only tank certain mobs. This was changed towards the end of DoF because of constant warrior whining. Looking back it was all down hill from there.

When KoS released avoidance tanking took a back seat to mitigation tanking . Brawler dps started to decline. Blackguard left halfway through KoS and then the nerfs just rolled in one after another. Hardly a LU would go by without another bruiser nerf. Players were tired of bruisers constantly farming PoA named so our solo'ing also took a hit. They took away our ability to cast shrug off on ourselves because someone complained. In EoF beta Bruiser was treated as the red headed step child of the game as they gave so called avoidance tanks NO uncontested avoidance and the Bruiser AA tree sucked balls. If you were a legacy Bruiser in late KoS and EoF you might have done OK but if you were a new up and coming bruiser you were screwed.

The bruiser was just left to rot after that in RoK and TSO. RoK was crap for bruisers unless you had your mythical and TSO saw all other tanks leap well past us. The bruiser needs some major improvements now to even remain a moderately raid viable class. Our best hope is that another dev like blackguard comes along and starts looking out for our class again because the current batch of devs clearly don't give a shit.

Pretty sure Blackguard played a Brigand.

Novusod · 05-22-2009, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AdaM pErSOn

Pretty sure Blackguard played a Brigand.

I must be thinking about Mooreguard then.

Crabbok · 05-22-2009, 09:11 AM

Yes, Moorgard played a Bruiser.

Oh and another thing about T5, bruisers had the only mez that worked on epics and was 100% non-resistable. You could mez and epic for 25 seconds, and it had a 30 second recast!

Vilelinea · 05-22-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Novusod

Actually Bruisers were in much better shape at release then they are now.

Eh, I guess looking through all the cobwebs and other issues in the first year colored my memories differently. You make good points.

dakster · 05-22-2009, 12:48 PM

All I know is im keeping my bruiser alt tagging along, waiting for the time we become the new SK

Tanino · 05-22-2009, 01:15 PM

I have been playing my bruiser since late EOF and only reached 70 as ROK hit. From those expansions I do think the bruiser is better off now than it was all through then. But I was extremely frustrated with the bruisers abilities until the last 2 months or so when I was able to load up the final shadow line and get my mythical. The easiest way I was able to describe it to a friend was that I was now playing a completely different class. Those change didn't solve everything but atleast it gave us something to work with. I still think the brawlers stances need to be adjusted to where armor effectiveness is increased especially in defensive stance... atleast another 5% as leather armor rating have not kept up anywhere close to plate. Then all tanks need to have their taunts boosted up a huge amount.. right now you can lose threat just by taunting which is kind of silly. Those are my main ones for me.

Crabbok · 05-22-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tanino

right now you can lose threat just by taunting which is kind of silly.

QFE

This is a really good point. I for one, used to always joke about how tanks don't bother to taunt and how it is a waste, but with the new hate meter, taunts are proven to fail.
Not only to the offer you NO help whatsoever with hate, they actually reduce your hate level as a result of you hitting a taunt button instead of a CA.

IMO Taunts need to increase hate by at LEAST 10K hate or more, in order to be worthwhile.

Novusod · 05-22-2009, 02:59 PM

Or how about making taunts instant recast so you decide how much hate you want to give yourself. Taunts right now aside from the interrupt component are pretty useless.

Crabbok · 05-22-2009, 04:40 PM

oh thats a nice idea. you can get alot of hate from them, insta recast, probably stick with a short cast time... but you do zero dps outside of autoattack when taunting. You taunt as long as you need to. yeah I like it.

Tanino · 05-22-2009, 04:40 PM

The recast thing wouldn't be a bad idea, the only problem is if the taunt is instant everyone would just make a macro with 10 taunts and shoot their threat through the roof at the start of the fight.

I would be happy with the base single target taunt amount being 6k with modifcations allowed through Bruising Cry, AA, critical taunts, agression, etc. That would atleast make it a worth while addition but still require some commitment through gear and AA in order to reach massive taunt amounts. Now Rescue needs to be about 15k as a base.... don't think that is unreasonable based on parses we are seeing.

Also make riposte damage worth a damn too... if it was actual equal to CA damage, then all of those boosts to riposte would be excellent for just holding aggro. I really wonder what epics riposte for now? Is theirs substantially lower as well?