Parse Thread ... again - Page 3

Blanka · 06-15-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Insayn

According to the class parse thread Bruisers are the lowest parsing fighter class (excluding Guardians).

Are we seriously the lowest parsing fighter class? I don't come close to Crabboks parses but in our guild out of the fighters only our over geared SK beats my parses.

Crabbok when you raid what fighter classes out dps you?

The answer is no. Just there aren't too many geared bruisers. Should look like this SK, Bruiser, Monk, Zerk, Guard, Paly when everything evens out.

Crabbok · 06-15-2009, 03:59 PM

Yeah I'll agree with Blanka. My parse would have been higher but there was a few things holding it down. (Timer delaying parse, bad weapon, lack of gear, less than perfect group). I"ll get a better one up there eventually, but I really just wanted something because we had nothing posted at all on that thread. I figured something was better than nothing.

There really is a lack of geared out bruisers atm. In my raids, we typically run 3 fighters, Guard, SK, and Bruiser. I fight with our SK back and forth on parse, but he's usually 1-2K above me on zonewide. Guard is behind by about 2K ish usually.

malos · 06-15-2009, 04:54 PM

It still blows my mind that sk's are so kick ass atm. Am I wrong or just delusional in thinking brawlers "should" be the better dps of the fighters?

Maybe if I start using a 1hdr and shield like my sk my bruiser's parse will go up!

It is just insain and totally out of wack.

Crabbok · 06-15-2009, 05:03 PM

I have every confidence the balance will be restored soon. Until then, I just have to try and parse higher and maybe beat them... Maybe if I get my guild to wait until temps come up between trash mobs! Imagine Chi+Knockout+lycan for every trash mob!

Couch · 06-15-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by malos

It still blows my mind that sk's are so kick ass atm. Am I wrong or just delusional in thinking brawlers "should" be the better dps of the fighters?

Maybe if I start using a 1hdr and shield like my sk my bruiser's parse will go up!

It is just insain and totally out of wack.

Currently, high end crusaders have 100% spell crit and it increases proc dps a lot. The proc nerf on lu52 should hit crusader more than warrior and brawlers.

Novusod · 06-15-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Blanka

The answer is no. Just there aren't too many geared bruisers. Should look like this SK, Bruiser, Monk, Zerk, Guard, Paly when everything evens out.

That opens another question of why aren't there many geared up bruisers out there. Has the hardcore community abandoned the class and if so why?

I have a theory as to why myself and I believe it has to do with our short comings in tanking epic mobs. Zarrakon requires four tanks but if that role is being filled by four plate tanks then that leaves the bruiser at a dead end in raiding viability.

Crabbok · 06-15-2009, 08:41 PM

I personally find it harder to tank raid mobs. This is largely because I try to min/max gear for DPS output, and as a result I typically don't balance well. If I'm DPS'ing and have to tank longer than the duration of my temps, I'm probably going to die.

Now if I change up a few pieces of gear beforehand, I have virtually no problem tanking. I've tanked and offtanked in many endgame fights without much trouble, such as Ykesha, Zarakon, and some avatars. Generally though I just have to pre-plan. If I expect that i might have to tank, I drop a few dps pieces for more defensive pieces and kinda have my finger on the D-Stance button.

malos · 06-15-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Novusod

That opens another question of why aren't there many geared up bruisers out there. Has the hardcore community abandoned the class and if so why?

I have a theory as to why myself and I believe it has to do with our short comings in tanking epic mobs. Zarrakon requires four tanks but if that role is being filled by four plate tanks then that leaves the bruiser at a dead end in raiding viability.

Crabbok's post is a nice example. He and his sk guildie are basically back and forth on the parse with the sk finishing the zw 1-2K higher than the bruiser. So if all sk's had that type of dps potential then why bring any other fighter to the raid?

If a bruiser or monk cannot offer equal tanking or better dps they will never be a sought after as the "go to" backup fighter for the raid.

As for me most raids do not have either brawler present on any raid venture cause they offer very little to a raid. I am sure we have all witnessed this in this expansion.

So that to me is why we do not see well equiped bruisers or monks.

Crabbok · 06-15-2009, 08:59 PM

here is what I offer to my raid that a typical SK cannot do.

1- Bruiser raidwide - Accuracy and base CA damage, plus some other less amazing goodies.

2 - Excellent avoidance buff - I can usually avoid over 40% of the tank's hits if I gear up for it ahead of time. 25-30% if i'm still in offensive.

3 - FD. I know SK's have FD but our FD is useful for many scenarios. Lets say were doing palace, and after Absatalius I disband and run up the stairs, I pull teh adds and FD resetting them, allowing the raid to move up easier without having to mess with the adds. I can then reset Tythus until we are ready. I can also reset other encounters that bug out. Like if you wipe on that one guy in Bastion and he's got the super buff on him. Sure Sk can do it too, but has longer recast. I am good for just taking care of certain "Tasks" like that.

4 - Survivability. It's good to have someone who can stay alive no matter what. (almost no matter what!). Some fights i might be a bit far away from the raid and out of heal range. Avatar of Valor is a nice example of how I can be away from the rest and still be self sufficient.

5 - If they fix drag - and make it useful again, well then that'll be just swell. It was always nice to be able to respoistion a mob that bounced into a bad spot.

Now in addition to thos ethings, I can still tank and dps well enough. It's not BAD to have a bruiser in your raid, but ultimatley guilds will go with the player available with the better skill. If there was a better skilled or otherwise higher parsing Zerker in the guild, I might expect to have to sit out alot.

too much typing for now.

Blanka · 06-16-2009, 12:30 AM

I think its just a bad conception that brawlers can't tank. We do fine once geared right so while you aren't going to go ahead and drop your guard for a brawler if the guards away or whatever you can have a brawler step in. We do decent dps as well and the accuracy on our rw is pretty sweet.