Originally Posted by Blanka

... if riposte chance and things like tsunami actually used parry then there is no reason why when you hit them parry wouldn't go up to 100%, it doesn't what happens is base defense goes up...

Originally Posted by gungo

and yet ACT and in game logs count hits from tsunami as PARRY (or riposte if frontal).

Do not count the personae window as accurate. It rarely is.
It is a guide its not entirely accurate.

Easy to test this pull npc turn around hit tsunami...
Do you see Dodge or Parry.....
You see Parry.

Really not much else to say then that.

Originally Posted by Couch

I am the hugest gaping pussy in all of EQ2FLAMES, I parse at the level of a healer because I am multi-tasking by raiding and blowing Gungo, so I guess technically speaking I actually do suck.

Originally Posted by Daekan

When you say "base defense", are you referring to "Base Avoidance"? I just want to make sure I follow your terminology and match it with what I can see in EQ2. I don't see a "base defense" anywhere, but I also didn't look hard enough. This might be a major disconnect in my understanding of what you're trying to tell me.

Originally Posted by Couch

I am the hugest gaping pussy in all of EQ2FLAMES, I parse at the level of a healer because I am multi-tasking by raiding and blowing Gungo, so I guess technically speaking I actually do suck.

Originally Posted by Blanka

... notice your parry was higher with the riposte gear yet your parry stats never went up, obviously riposte displays as the word parry when its not from the front on top of that it is calculated into BASE defense.

Originally Posted by Blanka

There are 2 types of riposte, on which happens 20% of the time you parry and another which is hidden in base defense and will also parry for you if the mob isn't in front. They are entirely seperate from each other and only share the same names on our combat logs...

Originally Posted by Crabbok

It's so funny watching everyone fight about a subject that:

a) Has been around for a long time
b) We all agree on
c) Everyone already understands
d) People are just trying to say in overly complex ways.

Honestly? Who the fuck cares if the game looks at Tsunami and says "Ok the mob is in front, so I'm gonna make this guy parry, and I'm going to alter his riposte portion of parry to make him turn that parry into a riposte. Or, if the game just says"ok he's going to just outright riposte because the mob is in front"..... really, we all know how it works.

If we can't let this rest i'm gonna have to come up with a project to keep everyone busy.

Originally Posted by Daekan

Is the riposte gear you're talking about the ones with "+# Extra Riposte Chance"? I agree but for a little different reason.

As we know, our stances and things that say "will Parry x% of attacks" add to the Parry %, Deflect %, etc., while stats and skill increases like "+# Parry" increase the Base Avoidance %. I think that the reason why it doesn't increase the Parry % is because the riposte gear still adds to chance, thereby adding to Base Avoidance. The think the others like Parry %, Deflect %, etc., are uncontested... if ya'll already think this, too, then um... I'm on board now.


I guess I agree or disagree, depending on how you read this. I still think things like Tsunami ("Caster will Riposte x%... other attacks same as Parry") is x% uncontested Parry and an equal x% Riposte. If it's not 100%, I'm thinking it adds it up like I mentioned in a previous post of how I think "+# Extra Riposte Chance" works. If this is what you're saying, then cool, I'm on board, too. If not, then I guess I'm on the list of retards.

Just out of curiosity since I don't have any items that does this to test out, but does Tsunami increase your Parry % to 100 in the Persona window stats? If so, if you have more than one of the items that add a smaller %, do they stack?

Originally Posted by Couch

I am the hugest gaping pussy in all of EQ2FLAMES, I parse at the level of a healer because I am multi-tasking by raiding and blowing Gungo, so I guess technically speaking I actually do suck.

Originally Posted by Blanka

I'll try this in caveman language

Daekan put on +riposte gear Deakan's base avoidance goes up not his parry and not his chance to riposte off of a parry. Get it your base avoidance goes up there is a riposte check not associated with parry that riposte check will also come out as a parry if the mob is not in front of you.

Originally Posted by Daekan

I agree, though... no matter how Tsunami technically works, it works exactly the way it says it works in English. However, the other thing I'm now arguing (to couple with my riposte arguement) is that I just think "+# Extra Riposte Chance" increases the chance to Parry in order to increase the chance to Riposte by the # specified, which is why we see an increase in Base Avoidance.

Originally Posted by Daekan

Okay, I appreciate it putting it into a language I can understand, so I get that, but when I put on +Parry gear, my base avoidance goes up, too, not my Parry--so how can you tell that +Riposte is not also adding +Parry? When I toggle stances that say "will Parry x%", that is what increases my Parry.

The thing is, how can I prove otherwise, too? We can't... we can only assume differently on the same result. If it's possible to accurately test (going back to what Gungo was saying), if you put on +Riposte gear and put your back to the attacking mob, would you not be parrying as often as you would facing the mob and combining the number of ripostes and parries? I submit that you would.

Caveman... OUT.

Originally Posted by Couch

I am the hugest gaping pussy in all of EQ2FLAMES, I parse at the level of a healer because I am multi-tasking by raiding and blowing Gungo, so I guess technically speaking I actually do suck.