gungo

While every other fighter complains about the upcoming fighter revamp. It truely is funny that brawler have been dealing with this issue. What i mean is in order to tank raids you pretty much NEED to be in defensive (not counting mid) and to dps you need to be in offensive. Our avoidance is tied to our defensive stance unlike shields. Our mitigation is bumped by a larger margin in our defensive stance. And after the change our agro will hopefully come from defensive. This is something we have dealt with since DOF. It is kinda about time the other fighters followed suit.

Crabbok

Yeah I hope it goes through swimmingly. Watch bruisers will be the new SK next year.

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Shidoshi

I don't really see the "need" to tank in defensive on to many fights. Yeah maybe when u pull but I mean beyond that I switch to offensive, course I have the mit buff up. But I mean the only things that I've tanked where I really had to be defensive was Anashti and Gynok tbh. Havent killed field general yet so havent tried Ykesha. My usual group for Xebnok for instance is mystic, templar, dirge, illy, swash. Me and the guard MT swap back and forth on him while the zerker OT pulls detonators. Just depends really, I haven't tanked any avatars so really haven't experienced that. Its all in the debuffs too, if ur raid isn't getting the debuffs in the first 10 seconds u get fucked up.

gungo

Ha I doubt it. While running through the new miriguls raid zone i noticed how often the npcs were strike throughing my avoidance. Thus making brawler less and less viable as a tank. And although I think strikethrough on raid mobs is good for the game to allow them to beat the superior avoidance raid tanks acheive. It hurts brawlers immensly and thus I feel like you brawlers should be moved more to a dps/tank support role.

gungo

Ther really isnt a mandatory need, especially for the eaiser fights. But brawlers moreso then any other fighter gain more benefits while tanking in defensive.

Crabbok

I know what you mean bro, but with the coming changes for the next expansion.... anything is possible. If they boost Shrug off to work well in offensive stance, then perhaps we will shift focus to more of a DPS class with at least one piece of good utility.

However, If they make us immune to strikethrough, and adjust gear to give more mit / tanking ability, then we may see our role get shifted more towards tanking. Currently a brawler needs the best gear in order to be an effective raid tank, and I'd like to see the dispersion of meaningful gear spread out a bit more, rather than most all of it being at the very top.

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malos

Exactly. Most non raiding brawlers are at a huge loss since most of the quested gear is centered around a "hybrid" style of play. This in turn makes the brawlers who want to be tanks or be dps suffer because the gear doesn't have the stats needed to excell in either direction.

Brawlers should be able to spec and gear for either dps or tanking and excell at each one when speced and geared for that style of play.

Or make brawlers like shadowknights and carry just tanking gear and still out parse all other fighters no matter what spec you have.

Novusod

No we are not going to be the new SK next expansion. Pre-TSO the SK was already a pretty reasonable tank and they always had good utility and agro. Their plate armor > our avoidance. Their death prevent better than ours. Their heals much greater than ours. Think about death march being groupwide closed mind with additional agro generation. If the player knew what they were doing the SK was a decent tank. It didn't take much additional buffing to make the SK into a real winner. But the devs went a little overboard with the buffs and made the class overpowered. SK players that were good pre-TSO are playing god mode now.

The bruiser right now is not even remotely ballanced with the other tanks. Strikethrough is ballanced against plate armor not leather. Reactive heals are ballanced against plate damage. Agro is ballanced on getting hit not avoidance. These are issues that have hurt us forever and I don't see any of them being addressed. Looking back at the fighter revamp the devs only succeeded in making us worse tanks. Expect a repeat when the revised fighter revamp finially does go through.

Part of the problem is the serious hard core players don't even play bruisers anymore. Even the semi hard core are moving on. I don't even raid on my bruiser anymore. So it is kind of a viscious cycle where the worse we get the less people care which makes it less likely we will ever be fixed. There aren't legions of bruiser fans /feedback buffs like the SK community was doing. I think the bruiser's fate is pretty much sealed to be the premenent black sheep of eq2.

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Azraël

I have leveled and played a zerk and a bruiser both up to 200AAs, done all heroic zones and tanked WoE with them both.
From this experience, i can say without any doubts that the zerker is much more enjoyable since it has no aggro issue should it be encounter or single target, its progression through gear just made me a better tank, when on the other hand gearing up the bruiser was fixing some of its weakness, the same goes with the AAs progression. One class is ok and gets better with progression, other is broken and gets descent with progression. I don't even play my bruiser for instances now, i grab the v3 geared zerker and i tank even WoE with a single healer, so fuck that. Miti>avoidance no contest.
How many mobs are now immuned to drag, to D&C? how many mobs do strikethrough ? Like Gungo said some stupid heroic mobs even strikethrough...wtf seriously?
How can it go better when since the beginning of the expansion they keep on destroying this class's joys?
Now about us becoming the pimp class next expansion i simply can't believe it.
Shit hits the fan....tsunami ? striketrhough ! too bad you healed the mob 2%... Adrenaline from the zerk gives you 50% less damage received... anything to counter that ? fuck no...

I'm making a dream list of OP abilities now for bruisers, will post that when i'll finish it :p

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gungo

Its not a heroic zone its a raid zone but training from the entrance to one side of the room took more then 1 flop even with stone skins and mythical up. Some one said raid encounter have 25% strike through now and that seems about right.