Gaige

You're never going to "rip it right out" when the argument is they're forcing gear to get worse so that we perpetually tread water.

This has already been showcased by SOE when they stated the if left unnerfed avatar gear would be better at lvl 90 than SF endgame gear even after degradation.

That means players are the best they will ever be the day before GU53 goes live. After that point we'll be constantly upgrading and playing to stand still.

That argument will never be quelled, because a lot of players only play to progress their toon, something which will be almost impossible after all these changes make it live.

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Crabbok

I bet you I can stand still better than you can!

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Rasttan

It seems people leave out the fact that there will be level 90 gear with enough crap on it im sure to easily maintain 100%
in what ever you want.
Also what expansion with a level incrase did 99% of the player base not replace 98% of all there gear anyway.
Hell this expansion there was no level increase and I use exactly
none of the gear I had when it started yes including my choker.

Crabbok

What makes you say this is a fact? That's an awfully big assumption.

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Daekan

It should be 2 to 4 levels before gear starts to degrade. This wasn't any different than when RoK came out, but there wasn't as abundant MC and DA gear before then, either, than there is now in TSO. It was pretty easy to swap out that 70 fabled for a 74 legendary quest reward, hey?

As for what matters more, it's a shame they're putting in additional changes to gear degradation to lower the effects of the Bloodthirsty Choker and such. Seriously, though, I think people who oppose this just need to let go of these items and move on with their EQ2 lives. I know EverQuest is often joked to be EverCrack, but damn... I guess it's like a kid who just had their balloon taken away. LOL

Sudden

Daekan

Well, in all fairness, it's also a big assumption to state the contrary. How would anyone know?

Sudden

Rasttan

Just looking at the track record of gear every expansion.

If they just maintain the stats on our current gear on the new gear
mix it up a bit on the pieces so it has a different look. Then the current crap at level 90 will have no change in our effectivness
because there will be no degredation since its level 90.

Dhuin

You know - in retrospect, the game's about getting arbitrary upgrades to a lot of people, but it's about facing new content/challenges and overcoming that shit to others.

Or being a leather tank and giving the finger to all the plate tanks that you're better than.

This expansion? Not going to change that for me.

Gaige

Um, Fyreflyte said as much when he declared avatar gear had to be nerfed or else it'd be the best gear in SF as well, even after degradation.

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gungo

Well assuming with the current gear we can get 100% on all the % based effects (minus crit bonus). And they claim that gear deagradation allows them to add gear to keep up. Then we assume that lvl 90 gear will allow us to have 100% still at some point.

To say we are the best we will ever be is complete horse crap as well or more sky is falling BS. Simply because those few % based stats are hardly what makes a character so powerful. Levels, Aa's, spell upgrades, and non % based effects and procs will always move upwards and are certainly more powerful then the tiny reduction in a few pieces of gear people use from avatars currently.