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    Default Bruiser AAs, DoV Edition

    It's time for a new thread about AAs.

    Obviously in DoV, the new heroic tree has 4 lines. The first 2 lines are the same for everyone, while the 3rd and 4th lines are shared between us bruisers and monks. They are mostly tanking AAs, with only one choice for DPS. The 4th line is the Endline, and you may only choose one ability. This heroic line takes 50 points to fill up, and to get the new endline you must have a minimum of 277 AAs total.

    Here is a rundown of the new abilities from lines 3 and 4.

    Line 3:
    Brawler's Tenacity - Upgrades up to an additional 45 seconds at rank 10, and the last rank gives an additional trigger.

    Inner Focus - Increases cast time and duration of Inner focus, and the last rank gives an extra stoneskin.

    Hostility - A new buff, gives you the chance to proc encounter hate at a 2.2 per minute proc rate. The encounter hate is close to 1K per point.

    Unrivaled Focus - Passive buff that procs when you take damage, giving you 3% dmg reduction per point (Max 30%) for 3 seconds after you get hit. Cannot trigger more than once per 10 seconds.


    Line 4:

    Stone Cold - Group temp, 15% damage reduction for 20 seconds. 90 second recast.

    Tag Team - Swaps the hate between brawler and target for all mobs they are engaged with. Also grants the brawler and his target each an 8 second 100% avoidance. If the brawler has no target this will also heal the brawler 50% of max health.

    Combat Mastery - Group temp - All melee based attacks hit for max damage. Duration 12 seconds, recast 3 minutes.


    How should you spec in DoV? Well, I always liked to run with a single "All the Time" spec, but in this expansion I can REALLY see the benefit of having a tanking spec, and a DPS spec. For me though, most of the changes would be in the Heroic line, since that is by far the most diverse line we've seen yet. I'm starting out with an attempt at an All the Time spec.

    Spoiler for Old Specs pre-GU61:

    First here's my spec.
    http://beetny.com/eq2aa/?GU61;302s14...@2a8@1aa@2a@21

    I've dropped the 2nd point in the brawler tree's Brawler's Tenacity, since the heroic line has an option with gives it another point, I don't see myself needing 3 triggers, but do like 2.

    I've decided to give up on Soak Hit and Brutal Inspiration. I like the idea of them, but honestly found that over the last year I've probably only needed to use brutal inspiration twice. And soak hit kinda gets lost in the mix. They are points better spent elsewhere I think.

    My shadows tree doesn't really ever change. Though if they ever uncap hate reduction, I may consider putting points into the raidwide dehate, at least to test it out.

    Now here is my attempt at an "All the time" Heroic Tree.


    First off, I needed 10 in each of the top 2 trees, so HP, and Recast are the 2 most necessary choices. (BTW I LOVE all the extra recast).

    Next for line 3 I LOVE Brawler's Tenacity up to rank 10, as that now becomes a 1 minute, 30 second buff, and since it's recast starts as soon as you CAST it, the extended duration is extra nice, since when it expires, you now have less timebefore it's up again. Plus if you hit it just before CHI expires, it'll be up even sooner. You can really keep defensive temps going for an extended duration now. For the rest of line 3, The only option I didn't get was Inner Focus. Even at rank 10 it doesn't improve it THAT much, and I just felt those points were better needed in the other 2 abilities.

    For line 4 I'm using Combat Mastery. I DO like Stone Cold, and will spec for it if I feel I need to, as the expansion goes on, but for now I like CM both for the fact that it's a new and flashy buff, it's a group temp, so people like us... and I can ALWAYS use it, weather I'm tanking (That burst dps makes for GREAT initial aggro), DPS'ing, or even solo.


    If I were to make a DPS spec, I'd change very little about my first 3 trees. I COULD possibly drop bodyguard of stone to make room to max out all the rest of my CAs, but I just would never do that, since the gains would be very minimal, and it would hurt my diversity too much. What I WOULD change for a DPS spec though, would be the tanking options in line 3. I'd probably still keep tenacity (Save Vs Death is good if you wanna stay in and DPS during AEs), especially since you DO need to spent 10 points in that line, but the other 18 I'd redirect to 10 Potency, and 8 Crit bonus, (Or swap that once I get the gear and am actually critting 100% of the time).

    Other Popular Specs:

    http://www.beetny.com/eq2aa/?302s14a...@2a@18aa@2a@21

    Corydonn's OT spec.

    http://www.beetny.com/eq2aa/?302s148...@2a@18aa@2a@11

    Corydonn's MT this must die and I will survive spec.


    Some specs post GU 61

    Crabbok 2.0

    Corydonn's Max Reuse Spec.
    http://beetny.com/eq2aa/?GU62;302s14...@2a@1aaa@28@21

    Corydonn's Leap for Glory spec.

    http://beetny.com/eq2aa/?GU62;302s14...@2551555@15511
    Last edited by Corydonn; 04-08-2012 at 03:09 AM.

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    Default Re: Bruiser AAs, DoV Edition

    And for history's sake, links to the previous AA thread:Here

    Cory can I get a sticky and un-stick the old one? Done and thanks for posting this, You rock Sir.

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    Default Re: Bruiser AAs, DoV Edition

    I do love the recast too, really makes the difference.
    Although for some AAs i'm pretty disapointed.
    10 potency when you get some uncurable debuffs in heroic instance that reduce your potency by 100% ? first raid zone we did you got this giant that debuffs 200 crit chance... what's the use of 10% crit bonus aa then?
    And fuck this, i can't pick more than one end ability... CM is the one i would have picked, but hey, in my group it might be just for me since the predators and rogues are not in my group. Yet considering the AE damage we eat on raids, SCold which seemed to me overkill in beta, looks like a perfect choice in my situation.
    All in all, i'm not going to QQ but the new AAs are uninspired, and apart from the damage reduction, end abilities and the recast(which i was bitching about since forever) the rest is quite disapointing.
    At laest in SF you had 2 new tools that enriched your gamplay experience (anti death and AE positional) not to mention the others bonuses, flurry, no malus on def stance, revamping the def stance into strikethrough immunity etc etc...
    Well SF was 50 points too... I'm disapointed !

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    Default Re: Bruiser AAs, DoV Edition

    crabbok what do you have the taunt proc doing at 8 points in it? is it worth going after based off what you have seen so far?

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    Default Re: Bruiser AAs, DoV Edition

    Quote Originally Posted by Nosa View Post
    crabbok what do you have the taunt proc doing at 8 points in it? is it worth going after based off what you have seen so far?
    I decided to get the taunt proc as well at 8 points and I'm going to say in it's current form, It's not worth it. It's proc rate is really low, The encounter fights in Velious are far and few and it doesn't persist through death while having a cast time that can't be cast while moving.

    If I had the choice I'd probably put 8 points into Crit Bonus/Potency/STR/Ability Mod instead on that one.

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    Default Re: Bruiser AAs, DoV Edition

    I dont see anyone interested in the + str. Doesnt approx 167 str make a big difference?

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    Default Re: Bruiser AAs, DoV Edition

    I like
    10hp
    10reuse
    10 deathsave
    10 stoneskin
    8 dam reduction
    CM

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    Default Re: Bruiser AAs, DoV Edition

    Quote Originally Posted by meatdrapes View Post
    I dont see anyone interested in the + str. Doesnt approx 167 str make a big difference?
    about 5% potency

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    Default Re: Bruiser AAs, DoV Edition

    Question for those of us still working our way up to 300. Is it advisable to remove some of our AA's in older tree's and put them in the Heroic tree? I currently have 256 and am using this:

    http://www.beetny.com/eq2aa/?302r14a...25515@15@15511

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    Default Re: Bruiser AAs, DoV Edition

    I've noticed so far, that the encounter taunt proc seems kinda nice to me. Tested it in raid last night, and when it was off, I woudl be around 40 on the hate meter (When not tanking), but on fights when I turned it on I"d be about 65 on the hate meter. I didn't parse it specificly, but on AE fights, with AE attacks, and the fact that the proc itself is modifiable, I think it'll be really nice on any encounters.


    Yeah If you are lower on AA you can sac some of your Bruiser line for now... like Hotei, you could drop the upgrade to 100 hand punch and shoulder charge for now.

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