Nektulos-Tuor

Why can Guardians Use Anything other then a Buckler with Stanima Line?

is there a fix for this? Because currently that means you can have the same Offences of a Bruiser and Defences of a EOF Guardian

This is basicly *easymode*, :P

Hope someone realises this...

Plus.. not only that..it makes Guards only able to use 1 weapon... Thats gotta be boring...

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Guardian Epic Weapon Needs a Nerf: IF THis is Really working as Intended, Example:
-Remove Melee Crit Chance From Guardian Relic.
-Lower DPS to 100.
-Instead of +8 Slashing, -8 Slashing, +10 Aggression
-Delay From 3.0 to 1.2.
-Max Damage Lowered Alot ((for speed)).
-Proc Changed From 640 - 960 slashing Damage to Hate Gain.
-keep Everything Else.

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How Dare you Nerf my Uber SIG!

Path

You made a post on the officials about this too.

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Berserker useless, Guardian Useless, Berserker Useless...
It all goes back and forth. It's not an exploit, or a bug, they've already nerfed our epic once, and the epic is suppose to be the way it is to keep the Guardian #1 tanking class (As it always HAS been).
It's not a matter of "nerfing" things, as has been said countless times on all these forums. Learn to play your class. Do you REALLY think a Guardian is going to listen to a mage when he says to him:
"Hey Buddy, you better put that buckler back on!"
My response to him would be:
"I'm not your 'buddy', guy"
The Guardian epic is a freakin PITA to get, just like the berseker one. If they got rid of the ability to go Tower shield what use is there for us to have an epic? oh, 5% phyiscal dmg reduction... I could really care less about that. I would rather they get rid of that and just let us run TS. Oh, and Chandra, you're correct. It's always been that way.

FIX SHADOWKNIGHTS IN 08! <3 to ya SK's

Is it the Guardian you want NERFED or the Berserker you want FIXED? I'm still stumped Tuor. As I said, Guardians have been and should always be the best at taking damage... that's what we are, low/avg DPS, and able to take a lickin' and keep on tickin'. If you're a zerker, hopefully as Aerilik was saying in another post, mybe they'll start working on the zerker class more... but TBH Zerkers can tank just as well as Guardians. Just gotta learn to play the class.

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Nektulos-Tuor

I dunno, if you don't think the extra 1300 protection (From Buckler to Tower), stoneskin, reinforcement, the 9% Double attack helps Guardians Tank better then Berserkers, then you must be "retarded" :P

No hard Feeling's though, I just wanted to get that little point across.

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Judist

The point is Zerkers as a "class" are lacking the tools that make "equally skilled" Guards better MT pick. Thats the way its always been and probably will be.

The Mythical is fine. By the time you get it your in "instanced EZ mode" anyways, and there will be nothing a Zerker cant tank with the same success (and better extDPS) unless the zerks a chump.

And considering Guards have a few more "tools" at their disposal, the Mythical was created and balanced for those who will be pulling Avatars. Imo, its perfect asis.

Path

No hard feelings, I can understand how being a Zerker can be frustrating knowing you're tossed aside as being the "backup" or "add-snatcher". But as Judist said, we have those extra abilities at our disposal that the Zerker doesn't. To be quite honest it doesn't matter if the Guard ran with a Buck or TS equipped because we always have the ToS at our disposal, so why not just run around with a TS and not have to worry about swapping out the shields?

Nektulos-Tuor

Well, then Guardian is an Alpha Class, you should have to grind atleast 6x harder if you wanna be 2x stronger, either that or Guardian needs nerfed to a regular class again, or zerks need buffed to them offencive wise.

Or they just need to remove the class, put them both together.

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Judist

Guardian is a role, like the difference between a Templar and Inquisitor.

I'd much prefer it if Zerkers had many more opportunities to play a bigger role in RoK/Raiding. As a MA pick, Zerks need a snap aggro button like the Paladin. They could also use another buff/util to offer a scout DPS group.

guapo1

This whole damn argument is lame.Inquister better then a templer in mt group? fury better then a warden in mt group ? mystic better then a defiler in mt group ? raid wise.


None of the outher class arch types argue any where near as much,or complain like zerkers/ paladin /sk do.Hell soe could give you everything you guys wanted,and you still find a reason to bitch.Soe is changeing mythicals and many of you got some of the changes you wanted. Yet still bitching.


Zerkers will never be the better, or equivalent tank as a guard get over it.You need better snap agro but better survivabilty give me a fn break.Just like the outher classes mentioned above, that are not in top mt group.Your role as zerker is secound best as mt tank but better ot.You can even tank as mt just not as well as a guard.

Really gets annoying to constantly see this lame ass argument.Do you ever stop, and think that this is the way all classes have been designed.What sence does it make to have 24 classes and all have the same capabilities.There will always be one better then the outher at a certain job or situation.


This made me lol oh lol.Like we havent had to.Roll a guard or stfu.How many damn times in lower lvls have groups got a zerker over a guardian becuase better dps and agro.Like 95 % of the time. Give me a break make things harder now get a clue.


Zerkers need maybe better snap agro yes. Better survivability fuck off.Like what was said earlier learn to play your class. I know many zerkers out there tanking in vp,and tanking avatars.Does not sound to me like there paper wieghts.

guapo1

Im sry no hard feeling's but you are clueless.Highest defensive tower is 1500 besides the tower from trakanon.. Highest buckler is 900+ from pr .That is a 600 point difference where you getting 1300 from ? Most guards will tell you there is not much difference between switching tower to buckler in defense honestly.

Rienforcement we have with or with out buckler.9 % double attack yes that helps us out so much better then a zerker who also shares the same aa lines as us.Stoneskin well lets take away guards useing buckler. Now we still have tos and still better survivability.

Yes we have edge on zerkers for survivability we are supposed to .Where as they are supposed to make up for it with higher dps which gives them in long run better agro control.Hell not to mention there better at ae agro then guards, becuase more ae function ability.

I know i know zerkers should have best of all three agro, defense ,and dps.

Kirgoth

Not saying I agree with everything everyone else is sayiig totally, but..
Tuor, shut the fuck up, seriously. you did this same thing in eof, found something you thought was a big fucking discovery and made a bunch of stupid bullshit posts in multiple forums about it. Fuck its been like that for 4 months how the fuck would that be a bug, or get changed you dipshit, jesus, quit whining cause your horrible.
I just betrayed to guard, yeah, cause i wanna mt, and guards are leagues better at it. Now about serks and guards being balanced, i dont think they are, i thing guard is ok where it is, but serks need a few boosts imo. About serks being better ots, yeah, now having played both classes they are, way easier to hold (not grab) aoe aggro, but pallys are better at both with a good amends target. As for the classes being merged into one you dumbshit, thats a horrible idea, theres a reason there is a 24 class system and it is set in stone, besides thats solves nothing. Guards getting nerfed solves nothing easier.
anyways, tuor gtfo go back to your shithole where you hide for months at a time, until you come up with some other bullshit to post about...