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    ONE of your clerics is slightly behind ALL of your rogues and mages (and, by association, DPS warriors). So ONE of your clerics achieves "almost mediocre" ST DPS. And you're trying to argue that that isn't bad? Mmmk.

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    Clerics are the lowest dps'ing class in almost every game I can think of, with minor exceptions to certain undead fighting clerics. For them to be slightly behind (as in a small minor amount) a rogues and mages is not bad for that classes ability and where it should be at.

    You cant say a single clerics dps is mediocre compared to a rouge or mage, because thats obvious. You have to compare that clerics dps with the other clerics dps to say, yeah, that cleric is doing some good dps for his class. You cant say, he's doing shitty dps, look at the rogues doing 3 times the clerics dps!

    It is ok to say omg, wtf, that shitty cleric is doing 3 times the dps of this uber geared rogue! Clerics OP! because there is something fucked about a cleric doing a huge amount over a good rogue. Bad rogue, its possible but that cleric should be working its ass off to beat a bad rogue. Note that bad does not mean afk or slacking, it means that rogue sucks dick at the class =P
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    Healing is the same for me in every game. I just do it because I like having a major role in carrying the team by making sure they don't die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zianlo View Post
    Clerics are the lowest dps'ing class in almost every game I can think of, with minor exceptions to certain undead fighting clerics. For them to be slightly behind (as in a small minor amount) a rogues and mages is not bad for that classes ability and where it should be at.

    You cant say a single clerics dps is mediocre compared to a rouge or mage, because thats obvious. You have to compare that clerics dps with the other clerics dps to say, yeah, that cleric is doing some good dps for his class. You cant say, he's doing shitty dps, look at the rogues doing 3 times the clerics dps!

    It is ok to say omg, wtf, that shitty cleric is doing 3 times the dps of this uber geared rogue! Clerics OP! because there is something fucked about a cleric doing a huge amount over a good rogue. Bad rogue, its possible but that cleric should be working its ass off to beat a bad rogue. Note that bad does not mean afk or slacking, it means that rogue sucks dick at the class =P
    Comparing Souls in this game to classes in other games is retarded, plain and simple. In other games, Clerics heal. Period. Any DPS they do is a bonus. Mages don't heal, Rogues don't tank, and Warriors aren't the top DPS. This isn't other games. A Cleric who sells out for DPS should be equal to everybody else in DPS. Aiming for anything less than that makes 4 souls in the Cleric tree utterly pointless, and one may as well give into the argument, "Clerics are healers."

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    The dps souls arent there for mainly group or even raid dps. Those souls are there mainly for the cleric to have the ability to solo. Every single class has soul combos that are good for soloing, grouping and raiding. Just cuz that dps soul for clerics is awesome for soloing, doesnt mean its good for grouping. ST dps souls in clerics are for soloing, thats their main purpose for clerics. If a cleric wants to dps role in a group, thats fine, they just wont be as good at it as a dps focused archetype.

    The general rules for each archetype is in Rift, so yes it is ok to compare them to other games. Rift gives options for different roles because they know alot of people make alts to try all the classes. Rifts souls make it so you dont have to level a new priest type class if you rolled a justicar but want to try a warden. Either way, pure dps cleric wont be as good as a pure dps rogue. Simple fact of life. Pure healing cleric will be better than a pure healing Mage, pure tanking warrior will be better than a pure tanking rogue or cleric.

    There are minor instances where the latter will be preferred, but most of the time, these general archetype rules apply, so stop trying to fool yourself into thinking they dont exist in Rift, because at the base mechanics level, they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zianlo View Post
    The dps souls arent there for mainly group or even raid dps. Those souls are there mainly for the cleric to have the ability to solo. Every single class has soul combos that are good for soloing, grouping and raiding. Just cuz that dps soul for clerics is awesome for soloing, doesnt mean its good for grouping. ST dps souls in clerics are for soloing, thats their main purpose for clerics. If a cleric wants to dps role in a group, thats fine, they just wont be as good at it as a dps focused archetype.

    The general rules for each archetype is in Rift, so yes it is ok to compare them to other games. Rift gives options for different roles because they know alot of people make alts to try all the classes. Rifts souls make it so you dont have to level a new priest type class if you rolled a justicar but want to try a warden. Either way, pure dps cleric wont be as good as a pure dps rogue. Simple fact of life. Pure healing cleric will be better than a pure healing Mage, pure tanking warrior will be better than a pure tanking rogue or cleric.

    There are minor instances where the latter will be preferred, but most of the time, these general archetype rules apply, so stop trying to fool yourself into thinking they dont exist in Rift, because at the base mechanics level, they do.

    You are wrong, I know this, because every single developer comment, podcast, and advertisement has said that you are completely wrong.

    That said, I enjoy this games Hard Modes instances when healing, EVERYTHING ELSE, and I mean rifts, easy mode instances, questing whatever is the worst healing mechanics ive ever seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chapel View Post
    EVERYTHING ELSE, and I mean rifts, easy mode instances, questing whatever is the worst healing mechanics ive ever seen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalandre View Post
    ONE of your clerics is slightly behind ALL of your rogues and mages (and, by association, DPS warriors). So ONE of your clerics achieves "almost mediocre" ST DPS. And you're trying to argue that that isn't bad? Mmmk.
    1 of 2 clerics

    behind 2 rogues and 2 mages

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    inquis are gettin a buff in 1.2

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    yea that could be interesting. doesnt help with the fact that noone voluntarily plays their healing role tho

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