Linyen

wow i must have missed the memo on this one...10% reuse and 8% crit at this point in the game is considered a DPS boost? fuck off. thats so minimal.

i cant believe some people think we actually need Siren's Gift...i dont care what your fighting , if 20% less power use is going to make or break your raid, get a clue and stop fucking sucking. Go farm for what you need and stop being a lazy douche.

siren's gift is fucking worthless, so is the tank taunt thing, yah its cool, for the fighter. its awsome to see that not only is our guardian getting an amazing epic, they are also getting a boost from MY fucking epic...ill live with this one though.

Sirens Gift can fuck off, however.

And Xemnasa, stop getting so butt hurt over people that are upset with their epic. Let them vent and either ignore them or stfu.

EDIT:

A thing to make VM work at 100%...why? We do fine now as is, why do we need/want this? Stop being lazy.

Ive suggested either a 12% chance to cast a 8sec group immunity like sanctuary
or
A 12% chance to cast a 10-15sec 20% reuse timers on spellls for group.

And for you that say thats too overpowered.
See > Spell Double Attack and go finger fuck yourself. Its supposed to be overpowered you twits.

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Xemnasa

Actually, I agree with you. Maybe I should stop attacking those who attack the epic. I mean its a weapon designed to SUPPORT a group to be used by a SUPPORT class with a ton of SUPPORT spells. Maybe you should reroll since you hate this so much Linyen. I mean wow, Illy's get more DPS abilities on their's? And wizzies too? WOW its as if they are DPS classes or something. I agree that the power regen proc isn't that great but its there and means that we can actually cast less of those spells in combat which means...OMG we can spend the time DPSing our asses off more. Sure a monkey can regen mana to our group, but if its one less thing we have to worry about..I'm all for it. Adding damage to a fighter is a GREAT thing. This goes back to the whole SUPPORT thing that we are. For me personally this means i can focus on parsing more without holding back knowing that the MT will do even more DPS because of me. But no.. /sigh you only see what's black and white and can't see the benefits... If they change it because of whiners like you, ok but when they don't and you are the one butt hurt instead of me and decide to reroll all because of a little baby boy's temper tantrum..just know that I'll still be here trying to perfect the class that we both still love.

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Raethe

Quite honestly, I'm satisfied with the coercer mythical. Am I happy? No, not really. There's a lot that they could have done with it to make it something that truly stood out and made the coercer community happy.

Instead, they throw somethings on there that does a little to make us better support. I'm of mixed feelings about the 60% return on group flow - I hate having to constantly sprint and watch power for VM, but dps is important also.

I guess I'm trying to keep it in perspective compared to what Puppetmaster was is beta - this COULD have been so much worse.

Xrin

Well,
I love it.

Edit
Figured I'd put a little more in here...

Yeah, there's a few things that I'd like to see changed, but honestly, I think that the OP had it right on (peronsally, I like the 60% return because I'm not specced VM, but I understand the VM specced folks desire for change).

Apollodon

what the fucking is wrong with you
just reread the shit you wrote

you bitch at people for wanting dps instead of power reduction
then you say OMG I AM SO GAY I CAN DPS MORE BECAUSE OF THE POWER REDUCTION
learn to use your spells - if casting SUPPORT spells affects your dps than you need to change rotation - see revel's post about spell rotation its GREAT!!!!

What do you parse?
What do you parse using support spells?

i am just wondering

Xrin

Ok,
Just heard about the illusionist Epic... *weep*

Is the goal for us to be in tank groups while illusionists are in DPS groups? That's cool by me and all, but wow with the no conc on pets (granted, that would really be totally useless for us).

Apollodon

ya but answer this for me
what is a MT group going to want more
an illy or coer?
Illy wins

they can arm tank(pretty much capping double attack for any warrior) and since rapid is group now the hate transfers are happy, healers get to fight over TC

raid leaders will see more options with illy than coer, illy fits in any group where as coer doesnt fit anywhere by mt or ot

come on soe restore some faith, show that you care about the coercers of the world

Xrin

Totally and completely VALID point.

Orodina

The no conc on pets is the least of it, really, though that will greatly impact group play.

They get +5% recast haste instead of our +5% max power, so what is considered one of our 'special' abilities they have as an add-on.

They get to give their entire group +68 haste, +10% melee DA and +5% ranged DA all for one concentration slot. Just.... wow.

Mind you, their fabled chest piece has +10% recast, so they will have +15% recast while we will have +10% recast and +15% max power.

Pinski

Or he can take the Coercer and end up with more hate than the Illusionist, thus improving raid-dps even more.

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