Coercer Epic = Fail

Linyen · 02-12-2008, 04:37 AM

Feedback and Screens here : http://www.eq2flames.com/showthread.php?t=20191

Curious, with a poll, what people think of this weapon...

Linyen · 02-12-2008, 04:47 AM

Obviously you guys know where I stand. Its crap, and not in line with any of the other epics I have seen. Not in appearance or stats.

WIS should be STR
Siren's Gift is the most retarded effect ever...why? Okay people call us power buffers and that SoE is just trying to make us excel at that, but the problem is...well first, lets look at wizards, double spell attack and 10% base damage plus a good nuke and another 35% base INT improve on all nukes.

It makes them nuke better, and thats great because thats what they do. Now templar epic, 20% cast speed with immunity to stun for 8? seconds. That makes templars heal better, as well as the clicky effect for less damage taken and group buff so your group survives better. It makes them a better healer.

Ours, on the other hand, makes us better at keeping our group full of power...wait? How can you get better at keeping your group full on power? Either you do or you dont...and right now, before I even have this epic, a ton of coercers and I have absolutly NO TROUBLE keeping my MT group full on power. None, zip.

So why would they give us something to make us better at something you cant be better at?? Either your there or not, and, well, with channeling|gorging|manaflow|manashroud, we're there already.

This just proves, yet again, Devs have no clue about coercers. They came close though, but still missed the target pretty bad. This is supposed to be the best weapon guys, not a good one, not something that will be replaced later in RoK, its THE CREAM OF THE CROP apparently or so we've been told.

And when I look at it, I find it hard for me to see that. Dont get me wrong, its a great item and Ill use it, but when it comes to being "epic" its not. Its just the best 1h'r out there atm, thats all.

Now, mana flow for group, when it gets fixed to return only 10% power, that will be a nice thing to have...but again, not needed. There is so much power proc'ing items out there, whats the point? But I wont argue this one too much because its a good idea overall.

The fighter taunt thing is nice utility, which I have wanted for a while and I think is pretty cool. Then theres 10% reuse...which, I guess, will help shave a few seconds off a few spells...but nothing to hold your breath for.

The 2nd biggest fuckup (first being Siren's Gift) is +5 max power. I dont have to explain myself here, just fuck off. +10 on chest now +5 on epic, fuck off. We dont need power...see above...

so thats my spheel. And remember Im not sitting here asking for DPS or something, im saying that Siren's Gift and +5 max power has to go. And if it doesnt I WILL replace this down the road no problem with something useable and something that will help ME, not every-fucking-one else.

So yah, I give this epic 4/10 stars.

EDIT : Oh and to note, I know im not saying anything about DPS above but just something to chew on...so far, every mage/scout is going to get an item that will improve their DPS in one way or another, some priests as well (fury get the proc so far that I know of)...so when you see yourself sitting at 2000 and everyone jumping up even more above you to the point where you dont even see yourself on the parse anymore...well, I dont care who you are, that sucks ass.

Obsidiann · 02-12-2008, 05:08 AM

That's some poll you got there.

I like the epic and I'm pretty sure you'd be asking too much if you want major changes on it.

The sooner you get over it the sooner you can go back to enjoying your class, assuming you do.

Temper tantrum threads sure do get old fast.

Linyen · 02-12-2008, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Obsidiann

That's some poll you got there.

I like the epic and I'm pretty sure you'd be asking too much if you want major changes on it.

The sooner you get over it the sooner you can go back to enjoying your class, assuming you do.

Temper tantrum threads sure do get old fast.

I knew youd come by and leave your dumbass 2 cents.

So what do you say, bend over and take another from SoE? Again? Coercers like you let the class get more shitty as time goes on because you take everything and dont complain.

Sorry im not easily pushed over

I will bitch and whine and cry until I get tired of it because sometimes, just sometimes it does make a difference.

Fooflehag · 02-12-2008, 05:20 AM

The weapon is pretty decent. I won't call it shit, but looking at other classes weapons, I do feel a bit shafted.
I'm not really surprised either, but I'm pretty sure that's a feat that comes with playing this class for so long.

Linyen · 02-12-2008, 05:26 AM

Aye, best thing I can say, though, is send feedbacks and STRESSSSSS how useless Siren's Gift is. I mean...it really isnt needed...why is it on there? Isnt it supposed to be an "epic" effect?

But yah, no its an awsome item, but I mean its shit compared to other epics...absolute shit.

Jhoram · 02-12-2008, 06:20 AM

Our Mythical Epic... I almost really like it. It has potential. That Siren Stare is great utility for me, giving the tank extra aggro, as well as contributing to raid dps. The group mana-flow is nice as well... assuming they took care of the 60% return conflicting with VM. Im still very so-so about the 20% lesss power on spells (not just the over-exaggeration of group power control, but does anyone know if it actually works with CAs?)

5% max power....oh...my..god. Seriously? Now.. here's where I'd REALLY like our Epic, if they changed that max power into +5% base damage. That would be nice. The perfect coercer damage buff.

All this being said, I wont see the Mythical for a VERY long time, so it's all just talk really.

shadowflame · 02-12-2008, 06:24 AM

The Epic is a good item and is better then anything I have or can get atm. BUT, it is a far cry from what I thought an epic should be or in line with say the Wizard one. I contribute alot of this though to teh Coercor class also not truely being 1) balanced to an illusionist as far as enchanters go or 2) having a DEV truely putting some time into our class to get it fine tuned.

The idea that there is so many little things wrong with our class to not fix them is silly. Our Epic needs fixxing as much as our class does imp.

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Sirens Stare ....... i /agree WTF
although this is a good idea to add to ENRAGING DEMEANOR spell "dare i say line" so it can be at least upgraded passed a fuggin lvl 52 spell. Without adding a % to an already maxxed stat.

+5 max power
looking like all the epics got the same thing .. so i dont really care

the Group proc .............hey NO IDEA SINCE THE FUKKING THING DOESN'T PROC

Reuse timers is cool by me but thats replacing a DPS proc

Group Manaflowing is Good

like I said all in all a Good item, but not worthing of Epic status

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But seriously we need fixxing as a class as much as our epic

Enraging Demeanor - stopping the line at 52 because we are no longer doing spells that have a % thing on it is lazy. Add the Sirens Stare to it to allow the ability of upgrades and newer ppl to have a shot at getting it mastered. Kinda like how our Link line did at least. But then again I think the Link line is also lacking.

Cataclysmic Mind - Another spell line that just stopped on us. This thing is just weird its almost worthless except on a veryfew mobs where it does amazing damage.

Impetus - DPS buff line ended in T7 but yet EoF set gear bonus allow you to add 10 more to it. So basically its worse in T8 now lol.

CHARM -- after last patch I think you can understand that we know now that you either someone didnt our class enough these last 3 years or that if FUGGIN PVP is the cause of another nerf to our class be lucky no one knows where you guys live.

Power Regen - please undertand that if thats what our primary job is and in the standard group we push it WELL over cap that things like manaflow and gorging thoguhts are cool but we got our job covered there. and since ManaWard is not very useful since if there are mana issues its because the mob drains ALL POWER. Also fix manaward to not say "Wards group members (AE) against 390 points of all damage" its not ALL damage how many times doesnt one need to tell you lol.
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All though that brings up the whole EQ1 enchanters getting to Ward against damage. I personally would mind seeing enchanters (both) getting the ability to ward against -spell- damage of sorts.

Puppetmaster = a j/k that i never got. Fluffy spell that dies and doesnt way to low on DPS

Possession = such a bad spell that I actually laughed that some cheating arse ppl are using it to exploit avatars against you.

All the casters had one evasive spell that they coukd cast on the run Stoneskin, invis, Mez .. something. Coercors was a stun that was taken away. Is that balanced? no

Lastly we are supposed to be the balanced class against an illusionist. We aren't even close and we know it, illusionists know it and you know it.

Ohhh its almost 5:30am screw the spell check and gammar btw

shadowflame · 02-12-2008, 06:29 AM

Actually replacing Siren Stare with some sort of Focus: Volatile Magic where it removes the power % requirement would not add to our dps but allow us to do our Primary function per say better via MF and Channel better is at least a much better idea i would have to agree

Revel · 02-12-2008, 10:00 AM

Funny thing is, I really like Siren's Stare. Giving your fighter 400 extra dps (if they're in a position to taunt) is nothing to shake a stick at. But with current raid setups, not every coercer will benefit, as who knows whether you're sure to have a fighter in your group or not, and whether he can afford to taunt or not without taking aggro.

Like everyone's said, I pretty much agree that Siren's Gift is pretty useless and probably the most frustrating part of the epic. Most of the other stuff (stats, etc) is a small disappointment, but at least in line to other epics.