Psychomantis

well our spells aren't any good, our dps is crap.

Now our only fun spell and our loved charm, get nerfed so bad, pets that use to hit for 3.5 K + and do some 1.5K dps now do 400 - 900 dps.

I don't know how to make devs hear us and review the class but prolly if we spam /feedback about this issue we could get some fix, well i know wizards do that very offen and they get fixed some stuff .

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Linyen

*waits for Obsidiann to come in and flame you for posting this*

Yep, pets got a nerf, not all, but most. Its nice and gay. Slowly but surely phase out the coercer population!!

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Everfrost, 80 Coercer

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Co-er-cer(noun) - To be coerced into thinking you will get anything exceptional.
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Fix Coercers in 08' !!

Xurtan

Not to mention a deterrent to any further players that would like to make a Coercer. Seeing a message about 50% pet damage loss could certainly change some peoples minds. If I didn't love my Coercer so far, I would probably have betrayed to Illy.

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Prodeath

Which pets did they nerf exactly? was it just ^^^ heroic ones in certain tiers? Is it zone based or just specific mobs? was it accross all tiers?

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Revel

I haven't charmed a whole lot, but clearly caster damage output was reduced. Melee damage output seems similar, but melee pets were always worse. The nerf seems to have hit hardest in overland zones, while the pets in dungeons seem to have been reduced less.

To get a general idea on the numbers, a caster pet would average about 800-1000 dps, and melee pets would do about 600 dps. Many caster pets now do 500-600 dps.

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Prodeath

i'm just level 45, but I have the level 33 master charm.

Last night in steamfont I charmed a 46 or 47 stonebriar witch harpy and she casted a disease spell for 1587 and was doing negative absolution for about 258ish. Unfortunatly I can't say how much they nuked for before the nerf or even if they were affected because I just reopened my account about a week ago.

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Pett

Yeah... This was done because a certain mob type (iksars in Kunzar Jungle, you might have heard the "one shot pets") did the 10k hits on everybody. So instead of making them uncharmable or outright removing or adjusting that ability, they did a complete blanket nerf of 50% across all zones, instances, servers.

This is probably the first case they did more work than they had to for an issue. I've already sent a PM.

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Xurtan

Reply from Gnobrin on the official forums:

I am very sorry for the time it's taken for a reply to this...
I've spoken with the developers about the changes to charm in Game Update 42, and it only affects creatures in Kunark. There were some situations where some charmed creatures weren't receiving an appropriate reduction in their power when they were charmed, creating situations where coercers (while using these creatures in Kunark zones) could do damage that was out of line with even the highest DPS classes. This change is a fix to the damage output by these charmed creatures on Kunark. Again, this isn't a global change to charm, but rather an adjustment to certain NPCs in Kunark, lower level creatures, and creatures not in Kunark are not affected by this change.
As well, I am very sorry that this was not stated in the update notes.

~Gnobrin!

PvE 50% pet dmge cut Response?

Anyone done extensive testing to see if this is accurate?

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Harowen

It does look like it was ROK only. It also looks like it was just about every mob worth charming that was dumped.

I have to disagree with the "out of line of the highest dps classes" comment too. Sure some of them did high single hits, but the ext dps on the fight typically didn't get beyond (or close to in many cases) that of a good dps class.

Really all it did was allow a coercer to, in the right zone, with the right mob, at the cost of 3 conc slots, fill a tier 1 dps role. Is that so bad? I mean, illusionists get to fill tier 1 dps by being in the same group as a troub and a wiz.

Prodeath

the thing that always amazes me with MMO companies in general is the % rate that they nerf things. Instead of doing a 10% decrease and then increasing it over time if it turns out that further adjustments are needed they just to a one time massive cut. 50% seems a bit drastic. Why not do a 10% and then do another 10% later on if need be.

Mythic did the same thing with many of their nerfs in Dark age of camelot.

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