VOTE. - Page 3

TANGARTH · 03-24-2008, 01:08 PM

be nice for coercers not to be the 'leftover' class anymore.

might get lucky and have puppetmaster not suck!

Illuminator · 03-24-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Orodina

I've chatted with Rothgar while he was on Test playing his coercer. He's already commented that he feels that charm takes too long to cast and needs to last longer (from his perspective at level 10). He opined that maybe charm should be like invis - a single spell that scales with level, lasting a particular amount of time. I think that without the spell having quality levels, we would get screwed on the strength of the pet. I have my doubts that the pet in that situation would get Master 1 strength.

I favor his opining. Make all charms the equivalent of the current Master I and then base the retention solely on subjugation... I don't see the problem with that because every coercer worth a damn is already using a master charm, be it from this tier or the tier prior.

Duress · 03-24-2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

I favor his opining. Make all charms the equivalent of the current Master I and then base the retention solely on subjugation... I don't see the problem with that because every coercer worth a damn is already using a master charm, be it from this tier or the tier prior.

Still doesn't change a damn thing about the fact that it's useless for raiding coercers.

Illuminator · 03-24-2008, 06:52 PM

Doesn't mean I'll boycott every viewpoint that isn't immediately addressing raiding coercers.

Orodina · 03-24-2008, 07:03 PM

I just think it is overly optimistic that they would make that charm equivalent to master 1 quality. More likely they would go with adept III, as that is more in line with what all coercers could manage.

Illuminator · 03-24-2008, 07:16 PM

Would you accept Adept III if they dropped the conc requirement like they do with the troub charm?

Torrent · 03-24-2008, 07:28 PM

I would accept Adept 3 quality if they:

1. Removed the concentration cost.
2. Reduced the casting time significantly.
3. Allowed heroic adds in epic encounters to be charmed.

EDIT:

4. Didn't waste a ton of dev time on this and instead fixed our other stuff first/ as well.

Duress · 03-24-2008, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Illuminator

Doesn't mean I'll boycott every viewpoint that isn't immediately addressing raiding coercers.

Maybe you should. Coercers as a solo/heroic class aren't nearly as broken as coercers in a raiding situation. It would be a better use of resources to actually fix what's genuinely broken FIRST.

Orodina · 03-25-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Torrent

I would accept Adept 3 quality if they:

1. Removed the concentration cost.
2. Reduced the casting time significantly.
3. Allowed heroic adds in epic encounters to be charmed.

EDIT:

4. Didn't waste a ton of dev time on this and instead fixed our other stuff first/ as well.

I typically use charm when soloing. Concentration cost is pretty much meaningless at that point. I realize that (3) is to charm heroic adds in epic encounters, but frankly I would rather just mezz them. At adept III quality charm they aren't going to be dps'ing much. Most groups are too leery of a charmed pet breaking at the worst possible moment that they generally don't want a charmed pet along, so the concentration slots saved aren't really there either (a further reason why the initial version of puppetmaster was absolutely braindead stupid).

Vash · 03-28-2008, 01:52 PM

get your guildies to vote and your friends plz tnks