Teevee

7-8k? You crack smoker, if they do do that its a fluke burst parse where nothing in a group of 10 mobs resisted.......hardly not even worth mentioning if that is the case especially when its not even remotely sustainable or consistant.

Show me a 7-8k ZW parse from a Illy and I will agree with you, if not stfu and stay retired.

Flipmode

I suggest you learn how to play better and see what true high end guilds are capable of before you open your mouth. that way you wont have to remove my cock from it later.

Now do you care to deal with my statements as to the original coercer DPS threshold if the reactives triggered?

Teevee

Show me a 7-8k ZW parse and I will gladly eat not only your cock, but the Illy who pulled it off also.

Revel

To see dps where reactives trigger, just parse the epic Yha-lei in the Chamber of Destiny instance. Convulsions for me generally hits 1400-1600 alone. But, even in this instance it doesn't trigger 5 times with every cast. It's more like 5 triggers every 20 seconds.

As far as illusionist dps goes, 7-8k for a zonewide is certainly an exaggeration, but the fact that it's even possible on a single target once in a while says something. The highest I had ever hit was 6.1k on a multi-target encounter (green mobs) or 5100 on a single target encounter.

In any case, isn't this whole argument kind of moot? Why are we arguing about illusionists again in the first place that gets you guys so riled up? Coercers worked hard enough just to get listened to about their own dps, I don't think anyone's gonna listen to us bitch about a different class.

Flipmode

Its not about the amount of DPS you do, but the % of the raids DPS. On average a good Illusionist will do about 6-8%. Now if your raid pushes 100-120k DPS, please tell me what the Illusionist's DPS will be?

Those of you seeing Illusionists in the 4.5-5k range are probably averaging far lower raid DPS than the ones listed above. You have to keep that in consideration.

Again, WHAT IF ALL THE COERCERS TRIGGERS WENT OFF BEFORE ANY CHANGES? Would that have been OP? Did SOE balance the class on the assumption only half our DPS would proc? Answer that if you please.

Torrent

QFE.

If that's true then it really was a slap in the face for our AA to give us extra triggers in the first place.

Chamber of Destiny Trash for orange, and Pawbuster or (maybe) Tomb of Thugga trash for yellow are both excellent measures of where we'd be in the context of a raid, if all of our current triggers were to go off. I'd see maybe one Hostage trigger left, and no spell curse trigger most fights. And yeah, I'm in the top 5 parsewise if I had Tandem and VM up for those fights.

Points to consider: 1. VM is getting nerfed by 10%, and that should balance out the extra 1 or 2 Hostage triggers we'll get after the update.

2. The MT group doesn't suck as bad as people think for DPS. I get a dirge (crits, spell haste and proc boosts not to mention CoB if I'm smart enough to swing the weapon when it's safe to. Even without STR line this still helps.) I get a Templar (DR and proc boosts) and I get a defiler (Alacrity sometimes, mostly on trash.) Plus I usually get tandem. And now I have the wicked wand of malice, which because I get to transfer hate, is perfectly safe for me to run 100% of the time.

3. We are a mage and our DPS shouldn't be under good bards or priests *ever* if we don't completely suck as players. We wear cloth, and yeah we have some utility, but I wouldn't say it's a ton more than a brig or a swashie, really. Probably between them and the bards, but not down *with* the bards. And we wear *CLOTH*.

4. Even with these changes our utility will probably be a touch less than an illy. Our buffs are situational, and their buffs are versatile. We don't have any of the temp buffs they do, just our static ones. After that it's just debuff utility and channel really. So, yeah, I think appropriately balanced DPS would put us equal to an illy from within the MT group, and slightly ahead of them in a mage group.

All you illy's trolling in here should give out quality reasons why we *shouldn't* be ahead of you in the mage group or stop bitching.

Fnar

SoE will implement what they think is "necessary" regardless of what we say or /feedback when it comes down to it.

i'm just curious if there's been an ETA at this point to where this is going live. I've heard rumor that it's this Thues... that seems a bit soon to me personally, but then again this is SoE we are talking about here.

Anyone have any inside about the next LU?

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Revel

It would have been overpowered if all triggers went off on both Hostage and Spell Curse by the time their recasts were up. (About 3200 dps alone with high enough recast). It would not be overpowered if all triggers went off on both Hostage and Spell Curse in their full aa-increased 30 second durations. (About 1000 dps alone).

Basically you turn damage over time into a straight nuke by triggering all the triggers every time, of course it will do more damage. There's almost no way hostage would trigger every time because aside from a few combat arts, hostage triggered based off melee attacks, which on most mobs is based on a 2.5 second non-hasted delay plus approximately 1 combat art every 10 seconds. That's 5 possible attacks per 10 seconds (i.e. causing Hostage to get all its triggers) but only if someone gets hit 100%. Is this old design flawed? Yes, it was horribly flawed. Someone getting hit like that is going to die while we dps, and we're going to outdps other classes because of that horrible design. That's why I supported a change in the first place.

My assumption is the faster recast is based off allowing us to cast on multiple mobs as a dot, and it wasn't meant as a 10 second supernuke every time.

Milambers

Noob question, how do i get ACT to work on the test server?

I know the logs are being saved into Testserver/logs instead of just logs. What can i do to change that?

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Revel

Manually, in the "About" tab, on the left side, there's a section called "Log File". Open log and point it to your test log. Remember to open your own log back when you're done.