My View on LU 45 Changes

Cyllie · 05-15-2008, 01:04 AM

The AA changes overall I find nice, I think volitile magic was lowered far too much, it has now been cut in half from its original 30%, this is a nasty hit to DPS based enchanters.

The change to our reactives really only is more damage when nobody is getting hit. The nerfs to my damage and recasts mean the spells do less damage. Where before I had to time them to get the most damage, now I just spam them.

Tyrannous Mind line was great as it originally was. Originally it was a heavy nuke, we don't have a heavy nuke, whats wrong with the original concept here. We really need that third reactive for a total of 13 reactives that have to be triggered by 13 different spells.

Its absolutely amazing how SOE can develop two reactives that are basically identical and are not bugged, but the third new one they add they fail on. I mean I guess nobody is perfect, I certainly am not. Anyway its nice to have a spell you can cast before combat on someone you don't like. Few extra thousand points of damage on the tank on pull is always good if you like everyone.

For raid encounters I find my DPS typically lower. The only times I parsed higher after LU 45 is when a trash mob doesn't hit anyone with anything. IDK, I took a different specc, WITH volitile magic my dps is lower then it was before without it on almost all encounters. I mean I am just basing this on protectors and hate, vp I can't see to be all that different. Maybe I should drop int for str go back to full STA and see with the same specc.

Specc prior to LU 45:
perpetuality, sever hate, thoughtsnap, coercive healing and tashiana
points in STR line

Specc after LU 45:
perpetuality, volitial magic, thoughtsnap, tash, and coercive healing
points in STA line

Possession was a basically useless spell that I had alot of fun with over time.
Possess Essence seems to create a solo auto attacking lvl 80 mob that looks like your target... As a test I grabbed the essense of a lower lvl cactus in Jarsath Wastes. The lvl 80 solo mob lost to the blue cactus it came from. Not really sure what I am going to use this one for. I mean I have the master version, it doesn't really get any better.

My spell mod is typically 700+ and alone my int is over 1k, and I have 45% base spell crit atm. With a troub, without one, with an illusionist and without one, in MT group, in OT group, everywhere no matter what my DPS is lower on every mob EXCEPT where the trash mobs were not hitting anyone or very much. Not sure how these was suppose to help me, I think its just another nerf on our class. I can see it helping newer less experieced less geared coercers maybe, but where my reactives were hitting for over 4k without vm and 5-6k with vm before, they are hitting for 2.5k with VM and the same number of triggers are there, plus the buggy 3.

kittiarah · 05-15-2008, 01:51 AM

Am I missing something here, or are we playing different classes?

Pett · 05-15-2008, 02:25 AM

You're seriously missing something.

Sharpcharm · 05-15-2008, 02:37 AM

are you sure your playing a coercer cy? Maybe there is a new server i didnt know about... lol.

vadra · 05-15-2008, 02:58 AM

For a highly anticipated "fix the coercer class" LU this has been a big let down. I was actually looking forward to bringing more damage and be less dependant on NPC. Though that the NPC trigger thing has been done well, my dps is LOWER than before, like OP.

I cannot phantom why they tuned us down so much as they did. My nukes are even MORE pathetic than they were and the reactives, well they run out before I can cast again... ALWAYS.

ATM no skills, just spamming. More likely than not, this slap in the face of the coercer community will drive more people away from the class. Something which cannot have been the outset of the LU....

Torrent · 05-15-2008, 03:06 AM

I can only assume that the folks complaining here raided with tanks that had terrible avoidance or with shaman that afk a lot.

Only 1 raid night so far, but it seems like any more DPS than what we have now, and the other classes are going to cry to nerf us more.

Ahazul · 05-15-2008, 04:14 AM

hmmm Cyllie u should read very carefully Revel post regarding aa ans spell casting order.
I'm fully adepted 2 coercer and my dps was increased by 1-1,2k.
It was tested by me in SOH in MT group.

cheers

//Ahazul (Wiz)
//Chessintra (Coerc)

Cenarius · 05-15-2008, 04:24 AM

last night I was the third one in dps list on Venril...

Raiding

I find coercer is good now... really not OP just good. A good illu can outparse you on raid but the hole between chanter went closer. Easy 1k dps more is the past.

Tashiani at the beginning, Coercive Healing Update, Our Ward... i like all of them!

Casualgrouping/Soloing

Coercer got a BIG boost... we have a big burst dmg now so for leveling up its now much easier, perhaps too easy

my actually cast order is... hitting reactives every time they're up and filling the time between with other spells....

The only thing what is nerfing me acutally is lag on euro server :-(

Ps: don't take "our" Mobs where we were hitting really high amount of dps, take the overall and if you don't lack you got a boost for sure!

Xrin · 05-15-2008, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vadra

For a highly anticipated "fix the coercer class" LU this has been a big let down. I was actually looking forward to bringing more damage and be less dependant on NPC. Though that the NPC trigger thing has been done well, my dps is LOWER than before, like OP.

I cannot phantom why they tuned us down so much as they did. My nukes are even MORE pathetic than they were and the reactives, well they run out before I can cast again... ALWAYS.

ATM no skills, just spamming. More likely than not, this slap in the face of the coercer community will drive more people away from the class. Something which cannot have been the outset of the LU....

You're being sarcastic right? The first night I had GU45 on a raid my DPS went up by over 1k EASY. Did I just suck that much before?

Pinski · 05-15-2008, 11:32 AM

I find this guy hilarious, so much so that he's obviously horrible. Coercer DPS went up, if yours didn't, it's time to find a new one.