Epics - does ours still need work?

Torrent · 05-20-2008, 01:21 PM

I have a feeling that the devs are working on balancing the epics a bit this month. It's been a while, and they have stated that they aren't doing any more major class balancing.

So, now would be a good time to talk about whether our Epic weapon, (fabled and mythical) still needs work. I started a thread on the official forums about Possess with respect to raiding, since some folks have suggested putting no concentration for that spell on the mythical. However I don't feel qualified to talk too much about mythical abilities since I have yet to obtain mine. (Stuck on Druusk and Nexona mostly because we can't get a full raid force of keyed folks to all show up on the same day.... sigh.)

As to the fabled epic: The proc might as well not be there, but the reuse is nice. I think they need to put a useful proc on it. A nice defensive or offensive buff, perhaps or, since we are a debuffing class lately, a nice debuff proc which stacks well with other debuffs would be great. (Some new debuff, even!)

I think no concentration on Possess is a bad idea, which I outlined here: (Possess Essence in raids (Mythicals?)).

Though I could see a nice upgrade to Impetus being welcome instead of the fighter taunt thing. (Group-wide plus some bonus similar to rapidity.) Group manaflow sounds pretty much awesome the way it is now.

Revel · 05-20-2008, 04:05 PM

I think it needs work, but obviously one major bug (mana flow) turned into a feature (fast power regen). Thus, Siren's Flow got itself fixed, but that does leave the other 2 abilities.

Basically what it comes down to is that our epic has very few group-oriented abilities. As a class that's supposed to be utility, at the least we should be able to buff our groups. Instead on the epic, we get to buff 1 fighter and cast Mana Flow (which usually ends up only helping 1 or 2 people, ironically, despite it being group wide). Now, while helping the mt does helps the raid, it's still not quite enough. Further, you can't count Siren's Gift as group utility, because even though it procs on the group, it's useless.

Thus, work is still needed, and the best option for this work would be to improve Siren's Stare (fighter taunt). A change of Stare into a group-wide buff as Cawti has already recommended, be it a illus-type Impetus buff improvement or a completely new buff of some kind (a group-wide proc, or well, basically anything dps oriented would be great). For balance, you could remove the power saving portion of Siren's Gift. Another option would be to change Siren's Gift into a reuse group buff, basically incorporating the idea behind Siren's Gift and making it useful for the group.

Milambers · 05-22-2008, 02:34 PM

I've never seen the fabled epic proc, just saying.

Illy · 06-08-2008, 12:40 AM

Just noticed something on my fabled epic today... Was checking out my persona window and noticed the 5% reuse wasn't there, I unequipped and re-equipped etc and still nothing..

Anyone else having this prob or did I just get the lonesome shaft?

Revel · 06-08-2008, 01:32 AM

Since it only affects spells, it doesn't show up in the Persona window. The only way to check is actually inspecting your spells.

Only "Reuse" that affects all abilities (Spells, Combat Arts and Abilities) shows up in the Persona window.

Illy · 06-08-2008, 01:53 AM

Well on one of the times when I was equipping/unequipping I had the examine window open on a couple of my spells and they all stayed the same =\

Edit: Nevermind I just relogged and it's changing now, yay for .1 sec recast reduction

Fnar · 06-17-2008, 12:11 PM

Stats are ok, crits are nice and Reuse is awesome... everything else is retarded.

Isn't the Myths supposed to be awesome BECAUSE of their effects? Not because of having stats you can find on other pieces of gear in the game... that isn't very Mythical.

Yeah the power feed is "nice", but I don't think it's supposed to do the whole 60 ~ 100% self feed thing. From what I have heard it is a known bug and they are working on the fix... I might be wrong... but do ya'll realize how shitty the Myth is gonna be once and IF it is fixed? lol