Concussed

Before playing a coercer I never really thought about group power management of enchanters as being a very active role, I pretty much thought it was a run your buff and forget it job. But now that I'm beginnging to raid I find my groups running low on power fairly quickly and I'm spamming flow as fast as possible to the healers. I was wondering if anyone had some tips on keeping my group full on power. I'm talking about extended fights, not trash.

I'm running adept 3 minds eye and master breeze and have 5 points in both flow and breeze in the coercer line. I'm working my way down the line to fill out the other power options. I have the fabled version of my Epic.

I'm not sure exactly what the issue is. Am I not being active enough and missing an important part of power management. The tank is fairly well geared (T3 WoE stuff mostly) so I don't think he is requiring an absurd amount of healing. And I dont really know the healers well enough yet to know if they aren't being effecient or not wearing enough power proc gear or carrying potions etc. I'm talking about being in the MT group so there is a dirge running power song as well. So really I'm wondering what speciffically I can be doing better.

I have channel Adept 3, but thats only good once a fight, and if I understand mana cloak right, that is really only helping the tank since he's the only one generally taking damage aside from aoe's. The one spell I know I underuse is Cannabalize Thoughts (also at A3), but I can't believe that this is the key difference between the group being full power and oop.

I just bought a bunch of the dispersion items to try and help for our next raid, but I know they "fixed" them recently to not overwrite procs, but is that just the stoneskin portion, or the power proc portion as well?

Are there other item effects that have a groupwide power proc? I see something on the broker with a proc called "Tender Loving Care" which is a group power proc but its 100p and doesn't seem worth it for 173 mana 2 times a minute.

Pinski

There's not much you can actively do to maintain a group's power besides what you already do. Dispersion gear only helps if you take damage. Other than getting pieces of gear with effects that give power to the group when you cast, you are pretty much out of luck for doing anything besides casting cannabalize thoughts more, and for your group to learn how to properly gear themselves for power regen. Power Regen isn't something Enchanters really do, it's something everybody needs to worry about on their own.

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Revel

Basically what Pinski said, there's not much more you can do, though you're on the right track with items. Due to the recent proc changes, most items were actually nerfed as far as their overall power return, but there are some still worth wearing.

What exactly are you raiding that there's so many problems?

In any case, here's an exhausted list of everything I can think of for your situation:

#1, mythical epic helps immensely with power management. It will probably solve all your power management problems...
#2, Dispersion: as noted it only helps when you're getting hit, but try it out. You can only get one proc at a time and this includes the power part - in fact you only gain the power when your get hit a second time, meaning you really have to be getting smacked if you want it to go off often. Only really helps against a massive AE mob.
#3, Manawell gear: in the meantime, ask your healers to wear one or two pieces of manawell gear. If they are still having problems, and can afford to swap out their items, and if you still kill contested Mayong, his leather hat is still an option. I would not advise the TLC belt or the older Di'zok / Chardok blue shiny belt, which used to be staples of the raid, due to the proc changes. A manawell item, or several items, can return 2000 or more power per minute. (Your buffs alone return, on average, 4000 power per minute).
#4, Tinker power: tell em to become tinkers so they at least have an emergency manastone?
#5, Mana cloak, if there's ae fights you can use it and it'll hit everyone's power back. but it's still not very much.
#6, Cannibalize thoughts: it's only returning about 200-300 power per cast, and you can only usually cast it once a minute, enough for your group to cast another spell. Better than nothing though.
#7, Power roots. Expensive as hell nowadays, but still good for emergencies.. look em the recipe to feed to plants at eq2traders. You can have 1 root per tier, if you know what you're doing. They're no trade so you have to get your healers to buy em and use em, and they have a huge casting time. Power signets, power pots, manastone, bottled breath, Pantrilla tablet, Everliving stein are the other clicky items that exist to increase power, and basically listed in order of how easy it is to get them.

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Concussed

Thank you both for your answers. The fight with the most power issues in particular that I was thinking of was the guy with the unstable arcane resists in WoE, but the length of the fight was mostly due to us not using the orbs with the proper emotes and probably low dps in general making it a longer fight then necessary. But even on any fight that took longer then trash, even if we never went oop, power was definitly lower then I would normally expect it to be.

I'll definitly look into suggesting different proc items to the healers as well as tinkering etc, but I just wanted to be sure that there wasn't anything specifically within my control that I was missing that could have helped.

Thanks again!

Dictate

If you use both group Mind Eye and Breeze A3 and with 5AA it should be enough for you to never require use of any other tricks manaflow included except for yourself (Coercer use a lot of power but using manaflow to help someone should solve your problems as well)

I never have to use more than that if there's not some sort of power leeching from the named or the usual death from someone requiring some special power feeding attention after a rez.

Defilers don't use enough power for their wards to be an issue, their DPS arts though use a lot but they have a trick to get back power easily so if they aren't slacking you shouldn't see anything.

Berserkers are a lost cause they got a special defensive move which use power faster than you'll ever be able to feed even though you can make it last 5mn+ before he's down to 0 no other tanks should give any such issues.

You forgot to mention if you had Mythical, that does make a huge difference for Raid power but its use for MT group are quite limited or you have an issue somewhere (like a power leeching named)

Also to note Channeling M1 split much more power than their was in the first place, use it when the Templar get really low (don't bother for the scouts they got Manacloaks and Manaflow if it isn't enough well they just have to wait) and you should be back to 90%+ and good to go for another 3mn+ fight before having real power issues (Warden and Defiler should never have power issues).

Anyway just keeping both of your power buffs should be enough so try to look around to find what your issue is.

Harowen

I would recommend getting AA's into enhance: channel to get the reuse on that down as far as possible. At 7.5mins it's quite handy for fixing group pow problems.

There's the abovementioned belts, the di'zok one from blue shinies (chokidai collars) from chardok, and the chef's one you saw with tender loving care (outer stronghold). Yeah, wearing them sucks, but since you don't have your mythical yet you may end up needing to.

Pinski's right, and to expand on that, too many people are of the opinion that "power is the enchanter's responsibility, I don't need to do anything to assist". Knock some sense into their heads and tell them to have at least one power proc item.

Dreww

make your healers wear power gear for the group, exspecially the wardens, as their fabled&mythical proc the same ammount of power i believe

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Wrathful

WardenS? As in... more than one in a raid? ;)

Dreww

good point, meh w/e there are pleanty of power proc items that replenish the groups power, i dont know if its still good or not with proc changes; but i member that one power proc item, it was a belt from a collection quest, the legandary one. Healers with that item were OP back in the day.

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Harowen

Yeah that's the pond wash belt, di'zok something or other, from chardok collection quest. It's rather "meh" now since it can't crit. It can still get the job done if you HAVE to wear pow proc gear though.