Auto attack comparison log from live and "pvp" test

Mheryl · 08-20-2007, 07:12 PM

My monk is not my main but I thought this might give an example of the differences in combat. I am not a combat type person (I know far more about my warden and even then not much) so I figured putting it here might help the testing and stimulate some dialog, or give people ideas on further testing.

Fight on Live, auto attack 09:45:47 to 09:46:09 (21 seconds) (1187631066)[Mon Aug 20 10:31:06 2007]
Primary: Name: Soulfire Kama
Base Damage: 44 - 133
Actual Damage: 133 - 399
Actual Delay: 1.4
Proc Percent: 7.5%
Procs Per Minute: 1.8

Secondary:
Name: Fists of Bashing
Base Damage: 48 - 113
Actual Damage: 145 - 339
Actual Delay: 1.4
Proc Percent: 7.5%
Procs Per Minute: 1.8

Ranged: Name: pristine Imbued dragonhide satchel
Base Damage: 56 - 169
Actual Damage: 171 - 512
Actual Delay: 1.6
Proc Percent: 8.4%
Procs Per Minute: 1.8

(1187455547)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:47 2007] You start fighting. (1187455547)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:47 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 317 slashing damage.
(1187455547)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:47 2007] YOUR Vampiric Feedback hits a Vornerus intruder for 150 divine damage.
(1187455547)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:47 2007] YOUR Vampiric Feedback heals YOU for 140 hit points.
(1187455547)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:47 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 342 crushing damage.
(1187455547)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:47 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU, but YOU deflect.
(1187455548)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:48 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 402 slashing damage.
(1187455548)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:48 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 373 crushing damage.
(1187455548)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:48 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 148 slashing damage.
(1187455548)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:48 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 440 crushing damage.
(1187455550)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:50 2007] a Vornerus intruder hits YOU for 225 slashing damage.
(1187455550)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:50 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 349 slashing damage.
(1187455550)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:50 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 164 crushing damage.
(1187455551)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:51 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 231 slashing damage.
(1187455551)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:51 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 310 crushing damage.
(1187455552)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:52 2007] a Vornerus intruder hits YOU for 217 slashing damage.
(1187455553)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:53 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 313 slashing damage.
(1187455553)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:53 2007] YOUR Absolve Vitae hits a Vornerus intruder for 280 heat damage.
(1187455553)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:53 2007] YOUR Absolve Vitae heals YOU for 205 hit points.
(1187455553)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:53 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 247 crushing damage.
(1187455554)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:54 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 243 slashing damage.
(1187455554)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:54 2007] YOUR Vampiric Feedback hits a Vornerus intruder for 150 divine damage. (1187455554)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:54 2007] YOUR Vampiric Feedback heals YOU for 140 hit points.
(1187455554)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:54 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 188 crushing damage.
(1187455555)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:55 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry.
(1187455555)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:55 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 233 slashing damage.
(1187455555)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:55 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 282 crushing damage.
(1187455557)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:57 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 289 slashing damage.
(1187455557)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:57 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 258 crushing damage.
(1187455558)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:58 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU with Wild Swing, but misses.
(1187455558)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:58 2007] a Vornerus intruder hits YOU for 211 slashing damage.
(1187455558)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:58 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 223 slashing damage.
(1187455558)[Sat Aug 18 09:45:58 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 305 crushing damage.
(1187455560)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:00 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 289 slashing damage.
(1187455560)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:00 2007] YOUR Mantis Bolt hits a Vornerus intruder for 171 piercing damage.
(1187455560)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:00 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 233 crushing damage.
(1187455561)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:01 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU, but YOU deflect.
(1187455561)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:01 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 402 slashing damage.
(1187455561)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:01 2007] YOUR Vampiric Feedback hits a Vornerus intruder for 150 divine damage.
(1187455561)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:01 2007] YOUR Vampiric Feedback heals YOU for 140 hit points.
(1187455561)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:01 2007] YOUR Mantis Bolt hits a Vornerus intruder for 133 piercing damage.
(1187455561)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:01 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 318 crushing damage.
(1187455562)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:02 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 361 slashing damage.
(1187455562)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:02 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 248 crushing damage.
(1187455563)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:03 2007] a Vornerus intruder hits YOU for 225 slashing damage.
(1187455564)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:04 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 402 slashing damage.
(1187455564)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:04 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 155 crushing damage.
(1187455565)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:05 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 380 slashing damage.
(1187455565)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:05 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 345 crushing damage.
(1187455565)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:05 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 162 slashing damage.
(1187455565)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:05 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 246 crushing damage.
(1187455566)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:06 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU, but YOU deflect.
(1187455567)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:07 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 262 slashing damage.
(1187455567)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:07 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 279 crushing damage.
(1187455568)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:08 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 203 slashing damage.
(1187455568)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:08 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 342 crushing damage.
(1187455568)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:08 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU, but misses.
(1187455569)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:09 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 164 slashing damage.
(1187455569)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:09 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 215 crushing damage.
(1187455569)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:09 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 402 slashing damage.
(1187455569)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:09 2007] You have killed a Vornerus intruder in Tenebrous Tangle (461.74, 247.25, -724.87). (1187455569)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:09 2007] You stop fighting. (1187455569)[Sat Aug 18 09:46:09 2007] You convert experience into achievement experience!

Fight on test, auto attack 14:59:00 to 14:59:32 (32 seconds) (1187646480)[Mon Aug 20 14:48:00 2007]
Primary: Name: Soulfire Kama
Base Damage: 59 - 177
Actual Damage: 171 - 512
Actual Delay: 2.7
Proc Percent: 7.5%
Procs Per Minute: 1.8

Secondary: Name: Fists of Bashing
Base Damage: 64 - 150
Actual Damage: 187 - 436
Actual Delay: 2.7
Proc Percent: 7.5%
Procs Per Minute: 1.8

Ranged: Name: pristine Imbued dragonhide satchel
Base Damage: 56 - 169
Actual Damage: 165 - 494
Actual Delay: 2.2
Proc Percent: 8.4%
Procs Per Minute: 1.8

(1187647140)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:00 2007] You start fighting. (1187647140)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:00 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 513 slashing damage.
(1187647140)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:00 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 422 crushing damage.
(1187647141)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:01 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU, but YOU deflect.
(1187647143)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:03 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 231 slashing damage.
(1187647143)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:03 2007] YOUR Mantis Bolt hits a Vornerus intruder for 115 piercing damage.
(1187647143)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:03 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 303 crushing damage.
(1187647144)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:04 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU, but misses.
(1187647145)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:05 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 190 slashing damage.
(1187647145)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:05 2007] YOUR Absolve Vitae hits a Vornerus intruder for 280 heat damage.
(1187647145)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:05 2007] YOUR Absolve Vitae heals YOU for 205 hit points.
(1187647145)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:05 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 437 crushing damage.
(1187647146)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:06 2007] a Vornerus intruder hits YOU for 212 slashing damage.
(1187647148)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:08 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 603 slashing damage.
(1187647148)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:08 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 437 crushing damage.
(1187647149)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:09 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry.
(1187647150)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:10 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 340 slashing damage.
(1187647150)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:10 2007] YOUR Absolve Vitae hits a Vornerus intruder for 280 heat damage.
(1187647150)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:10 2007] YOUR Absolve Vitae heals YOU for 205 hit points.
(1187647150)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:10 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 437 crushing damage.
(1187647152)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:12 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU with Wild Swing, but YOU deflect.
(1187647152)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:12 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU, but YOU deflect.
(1187647153)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:13 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 513 slashing damage.
(1187647153)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:13 2007] YOUR Vampiric Feedback hits a Vornerus intruder for 150 divine damage.
(1187647153)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:13 2007] YOUR Vampiric Feedback heals YOU for 140 hit points.
(1187647153)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:13 2007] YOUR Absolve Vitae hits a Vornerus intruder for 280 heat damage.
(1187647153)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:13 2007] YOUR Absolve Vitae heals YOU for 205 hit points.
(1187647153)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:13 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 291 crushing damage.
(1187647155)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:15 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry.
(1187647156)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:16 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 354 slashing damage.
(1187647156)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:16 2007] YOUR Vampiric Feedback hits a Vornerus intruder for 150 divine damage.
(1187647156)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:16 2007] YOUR Vampiric Feedback heals YOU for 140 hit points.
(1187647156)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:16 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 540 crushing damage.
(1187647157)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:17 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU, but YOU deflect.
(1187647157)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:17 2007] a Vornerus intruder hits YOU for 211 slashing damage.
(1187647158)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:18 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 542 slashing damage.
(1187647158)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:18 2007] YOUR Absolve Vitae hits a Vornerus intruder for 280 heat damage.
(1187647158)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:18 2007] YOUR Absolve Vitae heals YOU for 205 hit points.
(1187647158)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:18 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 448 crushing damage.
(1187647159)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:19 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU, but YOU deflect.
(1187647160)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:20 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte.
(1187647160)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:20 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 144 slashing damage.
(1187647161)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:21 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 384 slashing damage.
(1187647161)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:21 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 301 crushing damage.
(1187647162)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:22 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU, but YOU deflect.
(1187647162)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:22 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU with Wild Swing, but misses.
(1187647163)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:23 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU, but misses.
(1187647164)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:24 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 446 slashing damage.
(1187647164)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:24 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 445 crushing damage.
(1187647165)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:25 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU, but YOU parry.
(1187647165)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:25 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU, but misses.
(1187647166)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:26 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 513 slashing damage.
(1187647166)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:26 2007] YOUR Vampiric Feedback hits a Vornerus intruder for 150 divine damage.
(1187647166)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:26 2007] YOUR Vampiric Feedback heals YOU for 140 hit points.
(1187647166)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:26 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 387 crushing damage.
(1187647167)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:27 2007] a Vornerus intruder hits YOU for 201 slashing damage.
(1187647168)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:28 2007] a Vornerus intruder hits YOU for 213 slashing damage.
(1187647169)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:29 2007] YOU critically hit a Vornerus intruder for 513 slashing damage.
(1187647169)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:29 2007] YOUR Mantis Bolt hits a Vornerus intruder for 177 piercing damage.
(1187647169)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:29 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 345 crushing damage.
(1187647170)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:30 2007] a Vornerus intruder hits YOU for 201 slashing damage.
(1187647171)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:31 2007] a Vornerus intruder's Raging Blow hits YOU for 174 slashing damage.
(1187647171)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:31 2007] You are infuriated by the raging strike.
(1187647171)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:31 2007] a Vornerus intruder tries to slash YOU, but YOU deflect.
(1187647172)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:32 2007] YOU hit a Vornerus intruder for 313 slashing damage.
(1187647172)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:32 2007] You have killed a Vornerus intruder in Tenebrous Tangle
(412.99, 251.37, -727.66).
(1187647172)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:32 2007] You stop fighting. (1187647172)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:32 2007] You convert experience into achievement experience!
(1187647172)[Mon Aug 20 14:59:32 2007] You convert experience into achievement experience!

Mheryl · 08-20-2007, 07:14 PM

Fixing the way this looks, bear with me

Blanka · 08-22-2007, 01:40 PM

Damn thats some big dps loss

Mheryl · 08-23-2007, 01:24 PM

That's what I thought too.. I did 10-20 fights and picked the fastest auto attack fight to post, the test one was a lot slower. But I have no idea about the mechanics of it all which is why I put it here.

A guildie suggested that maybe the delay needs to just be applied to the off hand? So as to not penalize the people using only one weapon.

But then again, we ran a raid later with 2 groups of scouts in Labs (1 warden, 1 defiler, 1 zerker tank, the rest scouts) and the dps was insane from them. There was no way the tank was keeping aggro with the hate change on top of the weapon change. I used my group heals on my scout group almost exclusively, the tank rarely needed to be healed except on pull cuz he didn't have the mobs. It might be different with a guardian, I'd like to see that.

The problem with testing there is not a lot of support classes copied over so there's a shortage of healers and mages were almost non-existent, which is something we need to work on for the next copy if there is one, maybe even get your whole guild over there just to make sure the classes are available to help test the issues, even if it's not "directly" affecting your class.

EvilIguana966 · 08-23-2007, 01:51 PM

The delay seems way too long. If I were you I'd recast my haste buffs and try it on test again. When I logged into test today with my newly copied character my buffs were still up in maintained but I didn't notice till after the fight that some weren't applied to me despite this. I think you may be having the same problem.

What's odd is that by my calculations a 3.5 sec weapon reduced to a 1.4 delay is 150% haste and I had thought the cap was 125%.

Faxon · 08-24-2007, 03:54 AM

the cap is 125% haste. you get 125% haste form a haste value of 200, haste works on a curve like all other stats. DPS mod is on the same curve