Khalan

Kaz > Cel.

That is all.

Auroz

Please read posts before you reply. Where is anyone saying that they do not want to maximize their toon? Where is anyone saying that a healer should sit there doing nothing but healing? My point isn't that we shouldn't dps, my point is that people who care more about healer dps than healer heals are crazy dps freaks. Why make a healer if you're not going to focus on the thing thats in your name- HEALs

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Auroz

Btw as someone said in regards to this post, but didn't want to post-

A. Not a single healer in our raid force has the full EoF fabled set

B. I'm pretty sure none of us are dps specced because... our raid force needs our heals.

and here is me adding some stuff- people posting parses, what kind of raid force are you in? Do you kill contested? If you choose to dps over heal, does it show in your group/tank? AKA the few times I've said "Eh I'm going to click this damage spell and click a ward afterwards" the tank takes a shitload of damage.. if he didn't, hell yea I would damage.....


I don't understand how looking at someone saying they dps 1000+, is going to make anyone go 'omfg i need to dps more!' unless we know what gear your toon has, and how good your raid force is.

We do as much as we can with OUR raid force. We don't have all our eof fabled, we aren't dps specced because we are expected to have the best heal AAs, we aren't hardcore killing contested........ we don't suck but we aren't top tier.

So if you post saying your dps.... tell us what kind of raid force you're in so Ded isn't trying to compare us to some fully eof fabled crazy hardcore uber raid force.......

Prof

I made my warden to be a scout with heals. Similar to those that build furies to be mages with heals. Does my warden raid? occasionally when a full time healer isn't on. When I do, I'm thrown into a dps group and I keep them up most of the time, but my primary focus is dps. Lucky for the group that my group heals are a large part of that dps.

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Auroz

But it sounds like your fury is your 'fun alt.' Which I see as acceptable to explore with what you can do and focus on dps even if youre a healer for the hell of it. All the halers in our raid force are mains and NEED to heal.

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oddyophile

We are killing contested. All but two of our mains have full EoF set gear. When I post our parse I will even go so far as to post my gear and my aa setup. I won't post the MT's setup, though, or any of the healers. I only speak for myself.

Parse envy is an ugly thing, but I do kind of agree with you. If your healers have to bust their ass just to heal effectively, then DPS numbers shouldn't matter. Focus on keeping people alive to get them gear so you can focus less on keeping them alive. Then you can impress everyone with your uber DPS.

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"Because I don't say it don't mean I ain't thinking it."

Jaraxx

If no one is dieing who gives a fuck about the heal parse - seriously? For us our two mt healers don't do shit for dps, just auto attack and they do about 200 with growth staffs. Everyone else has to push buttons to dps. The zonewide ends up being 30% templar 30-35% Defiler. But it doesn't matter if no one is fucking dieing

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Prof

There is a threshhold for main healers, where you and your tank surpass some combination of skill and stat values that it becomes a snoozefest to heal most encounters. When you hit that point, you can switch aa's to a dps line or 2 and not make encounters much more difficult if at all while speeding up the kills. Shorter fights also mean less heals needed freeing up mana.
My alt can get away with it on those raids because the main healers we have are excellent at what they do. Some of them in fact are spec'd dps after boredom set in.

If your guild has not hit such a threshhold, tell the guy complaining about your low dps to piss off or heal himself. Do what you personally need to do to enable the raid to kill the encounter. Don't let whiners get to you. It is extremely irritating when someone is shouting at you on raid to do something they know nothing about. Tune it out and do what you know you should be doing.

A similar discussion could be held for MT's using offensive stance vs defensive. Again, survive the encounter first, then speed it up.

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Celayna

This was actually always a huge gripe of mine in raids, so I may sound a little harsht. Its personal opinion, but dps and heal parses are a reflection of how well the toon is played. I was MT templar and maintained 1st-3rd on the heal parse depending on the encounter and usually 2nd or 3rd healer dps. Its all about doing everything you can to make the raid better. I gratzed people for heal parses and I gratzed people for dps parses. Its about looking at the total picture.

So many times a healer says well I cant dps because I was 3rd on the heal parse so all I could do was heal. I looked at my own parse thinking hrm well I was 2nd on the heal parse and did 1K dps. If you're slacking when you could be doing more you should be called out for it. Should someone be yelled at for not dpsing on a hard fight when you have to heal all you can just to keep the group alive? Of course not. Hence why I said in my previous post learn the encounters and what can be done on each one.

And Kaz....I think you got mixed up there...its Cel > Kaz always

Widem

Its because when dps or damage is concerned you can imagine or realize it in the infinite. If i were to cast a 5k nuke, I am going to do 5k damage to a mob as long as it lands.

When you think of healing there is a very set parameter, in most cases, Shamans get easy mode with near 100% efficiency in heals. I can only heal someone after they have been damaged and only by the amount of damage that has been incurred.

With these two concepts you can see how constant dps with a reaction to damage through healing is the best way to maximize what your character can do in a raid. There are of course some exceptions also depending on the heal type, wards can be put up beforehand as well as reactives, but what do you do the rest of the time? Do damage.

Another overlooked aspect by healers is time. Timing in this game is everything. Lets take spot healing for instance. If you are spot healing your an idiot unless its to get ready for an AE which is going off within the next 5 seconds. By spot healing what you are doing is taking away the efficiency of that healers group heal while eating up your time where you could do more damage. Thats just one instance of a timing issue which people ignore thinking they are doing good in "increasing their heal parse."

A heal parse in and of itself tells you nothing when you dont look at the rest of the parse. MT shaman #1, MT templar/warden #2/3, OT Shaman#4, then Everyone else is a crap shoot depending on setup.

Druid in a group by themselves will miss out on heals if they are spec'd AE avoid even though they are contributing greater b/c of it, but w/o AE avoid they will look amazing on a parse. MT Templar could miss out on a lot of you have an inquisitor/OT templar spamming reactives on the MT while dpsing. MT warden getting benefit out of ward on some fights...there is just a lot to sift through.

Really healing should be just a speed bump in healer dps. Some classes can drive faster and hit less bumps, while some classes drive slower with more, it just depends on what kinda car you are and on which road.

Hopefully thats a good analogy.