Berserker vs Guardian End EOF aa Abilitys, Why Does Berserkers need a Revamp? - Page 3

Zormik · 10-21-2007, 12:10 PM

If you do 500-700 dps more then a guardian your guardian is worth crap or he has crapbuffs.

The normal gap is around 100-200 wich is too frigging low.

Topzerkers zw get up to 2.2K dps. Guardians get to 2K zw.

Since eof zerker only has got the shaft, the guardian has more offensive skillbuffs has better defense, has better snappaggro.

The zerker has ... aoeaggro, but a guardian can hold agro from groups too if he knows how to play. It's time to change some things imo.

Noah · 10-21-2007, 12:20 PM

So zerks are super pimp to tank base pop/multi adds and do ok on single target named. Guardians are pimp to tank single target named and ok on base pop. 95% of the game zerks get to be the better tank while the guardians get an edge up on 5%. (Just talking raiding game... come group content - 99% of the time zerks are best)

If you think the dps gap will be drastically changed with 40 more AA, you will need to check your sustained dps numbers and review the typical Guardian AA setups (most already run with AGI!!). Will the 1000 dps gap close a bit, yes, probably by 200 or so. With T8 coming, zerks might want to hold judgement until you launch a shit storm. 99% of you are calling for the "END OF DAYS" and haven't even seen T8 parses/ real comparisons. Not to mention set gear/itemization can play a drastic roll.

So take a breather and get a grip. Even back in the day when Gaige launched the monk crusade, he atleast waited to see real life numbers on changes before pissing a shit storm. Most of you make me look fondly back on the days of intelligent people debating vs todays hyper sensitive internet flamer on some dps roid rage, posting wrong information.

Noah · 10-21-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Zormik

If you do 500-700 dps more then a guardian your guardian is worth crap or he has crapbuffs.

The normal gap is around 100-200 wich is too frigging low.

Topzerkers zw get up to 2.2K dps. Guardians get to 2K zw.

Since eof zerker only has got the shaft, the guardian has more offensive skillbuffs has better defense, has better snappaggro.

The zerker has ... aoeaggro, but a guardian can hold agro from groups too if he knows how to play. It's time to change some things imo.

Maybe your Zerk needs to be in a different group or something. On base population, Zerks should be pulling much higher dps than Guardians. On even buff grounds... the zerk is hands down 30-40% higher dps.

Ae far as holding AE agro - Zerks are the "sure thing" vs the 12k dps warlock. Guards can hold it but gear/ aa spec make a huge difference.

Zormik · 10-21-2007, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Noah

Maybe your Zerk needs to be in a different group or something. On base population, Zerks should be pulling much higher dps than Guardians. On even buff grounds... the zerk is hands down 30-40% higher dps.

Ae far as holding AE agro - Zerks are the "sure thing" vs the 12k dps warlock. Guards can hold it but gear/ aa spec make a huge difference.

Isn't it a fact that guardians get a zonewide of 2K and zerkers only get up to 2.2K? Check all the boards and you'll see that's how it is...

Darkhain · 10-21-2007, 01:26 PM

I agree, zerker need some loves, we only get nerfed and crapp stuff over and over since the beginning.

Malcom · 10-21-2007, 01:27 PM

Using "this guy said he does 2k zonewides" as your evidence for a class nerf is hilarious. Thanks for making my day.

Psykil · 10-21-2007, 01:36 PM

I feel zerkers have been overlooked and downgraded ever since KoS really, last good expansion was DoF but at the time it didnt really feel like love being screwed over by LU 13. However with the new 40aa's I dont really see myself gaining much from it, however guardians will by a land slide, honestly guardians have way better tanking abillities and with the right build you can be both super tank and super dps.

Betraying isnt looking like such a bad idea these days, hopefully something will change but I doubt it.

Zormik · 10-21-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Malcom

Using "this guy said he does 2k zonewides" as your evidence for a class nerf is hilarious. Thanks for making my day.

you actually are the idiot, there's plenty of proof provided here in the thread and i think it's bloody clear to most of us here.
And it's not a "that guy said", it's common knowledge, so if you don't know what zerkers and guardians are capable of then plz go play with your guard and learn your class...

And let me be clear i don't ask for a nerf, i ask for the berserker class to be looked into.

gungo · 10-21-2007, 02:03 PM

i think zerkers missed the Memo all others fighters have been getting the shaft since LU13 but guardians.

Its tuff because guardians are the games main tank role.
Your like the cheap carbon copy.

IF you are really trying to bring up complaints about how yoru aa's are slightly worse then a guards. I am sorry that is sad and pathetic. Becuase there are plenty of classes whose aa's are in much worse shape when you want to compare, fuck brawlers AA's are generally crap.

and SOE is not going to change anything until guilds start using 2-3 guards instead of other fighters in raids.

So grab your ankles make sure you lube up and enjoy the ride. You are the shitty slightly more dps guard and SOE fucked up when they made warriors do as much dps as they do now. As a fighter you should be doing 1/2 the dps you do now and taunts should be 3x as much agro instead. but the fuckign casual i want to solo guard fucked the resemblacne of balance we had.

Malcom · 10-21-2007, 02:04 PM

its bloody clear to the zerkers. they are already a top choice for OT, and can MT just fine. what do you hope to get out of this? be able to parse equally with an assassin or something? have the exact same survivability as a guard? i think they need to look into brawlers and crusaders before touching zerkers tbh.