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Old 10-29-2006, 04:11 PM  
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Hi,

I'm in a casual raiding guild atm (3 days a week raiding) and want some tips on our dps numbers. Who's slacking? Who's doing a good job? Any tips on who's low and who isn't would be much appreciated. We've cleared all the zones except we can't kill curor yet and want to tweak our dps a bit.

Here are some zonewides by zone:

This is for HoS:

(012 52396973 | 12,219.44
Brigand (me) 5030748 | 1,173.22
Swash 4796327 | 1,118.55
Necro 4609844 | 1,075.06
Ranger 3743108 | 872.93
SK 3533553 | 824.06
Guard 3469913 | 809.21
Conj 3439583 | 802.14
Zerk 3111304 | 725.58
Necro (late) 3063300 | 714.39
Wiz (late) 2518292 | 587.29
Dirge 2338742 | 545.42
Coercer 2132756 | 497.38
Troub 2132205 | 497.25
Coercer 2079589 | 484.98
Dirge 1753759 | 408.99
Illusionist 1189669 | 277.44
Rest healers

Labs with just over 3 groups:

(57:45) 39850667 | 11,500.91
Swash 3943125 | 1,137.99
Brigand 3830114 | 1,105.37
Wizard 3058013 | 882.54
Necro 3008929 | 868.38
Assassin 2933316 | 846.56
Guard 2593948 | 748.61
Conj 2583054 | 745.47
Ranger 2575149 | 743.19
Wiz (late) 2024962 | 584.40
Zerj 1874700 | 541.04
Coercer 1614400 | 465.92
Troub 1427496 | 411.98
Dirge 1400137 | 404.08
Dirge 1347398 | 388.86
Coercer 1165022 | 336.23
Rest Healers

Lycaeum... not full again:

53:47) 47496193 | 14,718.37
Brigand 4549898 | 1,409.95
Necro 4035635 | 1,250.58
Conj 3023421 | 936.91
Swash 2994988 | 928.10
Bruiser 2894975 | 897.11
Guard 2879572 | 892.34
Wiz 2878050 | 891.87
SK 2734469 | 847.37
Zerk 2681285 | 830.89
Conj (late) 2484608 | 769.94
Palladin 2135383 | 661.72
Dirge 2022432 | 626.72
Coercer 1567364 | 485.70
Coercer 1465969 | 454.28
Fury 1361986 | 422.06
Troub 1207494 | 374.18
Illusionist 1145974 | 355.12
Dirge 1086820 | 336.79

So tell me who needs work and who's doing alright. I think my numbers are alright but I think a couple of people could use some work. Who stands out the most as needing some work?
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Old 10-29-2006, 04:25 PM  
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conj/zerk/illusionist really stand out as far below normal
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Tell your bards to stop just using ranged autoattack.
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conj/zerk/illusionist really stand out as far below normal
Swash and Assassin as well.
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Old 10-29-2006, 05:32 PM  
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Well, the guard isn't horrible nor is the SK. The troub isn't too bad, the dirges could stand to improve.
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Well you've got to remember we aren't a hardcore raiding guild. We're like a 2nd or 3rd tier raiding guild. Think back to when the expansion first started, like 2 months into it when you first took down tarinax. We're at or just beyond that point atm. Tarinax is dead but we can't burn down curor fast enough or our strategy is wrong.

About bards. We have our bards in str line atm. They were in agi before and did a lot more damage but they respeced to str to help with curor.

As for the zerk he's our 2nd tank. We have a 2nd tank group setup to pickup aggro if the tank dies to save a wipe. It's usually:

Zerk, Coercer, Swash, Defiler, Inquis, Palladin.

The dps buffs help the swash, palladin and zerk with dps I find and it's a good dps group for the swash and palladin at least. I think our zerk stays in defensive stance.

What's the best dps group for an illusionist? Atm we have the illusionist with melee dps. The group is usually brigand, illusionist, fury, bruiser, wizard and conj.

The thing I dont' get is the assassin looks a bit low to me actually from seeing some bragging parses. I honestly don't know the best group to put one in though. Is:

Wizard, Necro, Conj, Assassin, Warden, Troub a good group for an assassin?
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Well you've got to remember we aren't a hardcore raiding guild. We're like a 2nd or 3rd tier raiding guild. Think back to when the expansion first started, like 2 months into it when you first took down tarinax. We're at or just beyond that point atm. Tarinax is dead but we can't burn down curor fast enough or our strategy is wrong.

About bards. We have our bards in str line atm. They were in agi before and did a lot more damage but they respeced to str to help with curor.

As for the zerk he's our 2nd tank. We have a 2nd tank group setup to pickup aggro if the tank dies to save a wipe. It's usually:

Zerk, Coercer, Swash, Defiler, Inquis, Palladin.

The dps buffs help the swash, palladin and zerk with dps I find and it's a good dps group for the swash and palladin at least. I think our zerk stays in defensive stance.

What's the best dps group for an illusionist? Atm we have the illusionist with melee dps. The group is usually brigand, illusionist, fury, bruiser, wizard and conj.

The thing I dont' get is the assassin looks a bit low to me actually from seeing some bragging parses. I honestly don't know the best group to put one in though. Is:

Wizard, Necro, Conj, Assassin, Warden, Troub a good group for an assassin?
That will work, but I think the assassin would prefer the brigand spot in your group.. If your tank can hold aggro that is, but the group listed isn't bad.. on int line that's 2 procs to crit from, with haste/deaggro from a troub.. Not much haste, but better than none.
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Troubs don't "need" Strength line but Dirges do.

Why is the assasin so low? Does he have aggro problems, a bad group or is he just bad at the class?
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374 in Lyceum? That troub is terrible. Troubs should have STR and WIS or they're less effective. It's perfecty reasonable to expect a troub to do up to 800dps in normal zones and up to 1k in Lyceum. You'd do more with AGI, but there's no way any bard should pick it over STR.
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