Arrow Fix - Page 3

Catseyes · 12-20-2007, 09:12 AM

i dont see the points with arrows. Doesnt rangers with RSB or same level bow top the parse ? Arent they making 1rst or Second on par with assys or top mages ?

i maxed my agi line last nite on my assy, and was amazed to see a big 22% ranged crit when i top 13% as melee... i have to play tons of plat for an adorn who give me 6 -8 piercing bonus, but arrows come with lot more.

Yes there is a mechanic weirdo, but does that make gimp rangers ? dont seems to me.

EvilIguana966 · 12-20-2007, 10:29 AM

It doesn't matter whether rangers are overpowered or not, the problem still needs to be fixed. It is just plain stupid that higher level bows, with higher damage ratings, do less damage. It destroys item progression and prevents bow users from having any upgrades to look forward to. That is arguably a bigger problem in itself than the power of any class in particular. Without gear progression, the game is shallow and unsatisfying.

If fixing bows makes their overall power too high, then nerf their damage a bit. Every ranger asking for change has agreed with this concept. They don't want to be uber by default, they want the ability to become uber through acquiring weapons like every other class does.

Dants · 12-20-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Catseyes

i dont see the points with arrows. Doesnt rangers with RSB or same level bow top the parse ? Arent they making 1rst or Second on par with assys or top mages ?

Have you read anything? Currently the RSB is the best bow in the game for rangers because it has a comparable DR as the other top T8 bows but is only level 70 so it's not penalized for using a lesser level arrow.

Let me spell it out for you:

Rangers are the only class in the game who have not received a weapon upgrade in T8.

Rangers have a shitload of problems, just read http://www.eq2flames.com/rangers/160...s-rangers.html and if you understand simple game mechanics, you'll realize all the bitching is completely warranted.

aduros · 12-20-2007, 10:43 AM

If a ranger is topping the parse in RoK, half your raid is afk. They are broken.

Hoss · 12-20-2007, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by methulah

I'm sorry, but have you been to the Ranger class forums?

Yes, every class has some issues, and yes, the arrow problem needs to be fixed, but Sony have stated they know about the problem, and don't feel like doing anything right now. Flooding your class forums, and all the other forums isn't going to change that right now.

I like to make fun of rangers as much as the next guy, but listen, save this for the next time they all whine about a bugfix nerfing them (I give it 2 weeks personally). Those are a helluva lot more fun.

-h

Prince of Pwnage · 12-20-2007, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dants

Have you read anything? Currently the RSB is the best bow in the game for rangers because it has a comparable DR as the other top T8 bows but is only level 70 so it's not penalized for using a lesser level arrow.

Let me spell it out for you:

Rangers are the only class in the game who have not received a weapon upgrade in T8.

Rangers have a shitload of problems, just read http://www.eq2flames.com/rangers/160...s-rangers.html and if you understand simple game mechanics, you'll realize all the bitching is completely warranted.

I am really impressed that non-rangers are actually reading facts, and not just flaming us cuz we bitch too much, good post.

Pinski · 12-20-2007, 04:40 PM

Let me explain the problem. When you use a Lv70 bow with Lv70 ammo, you do what you're supposed to do on the bow. Now the thing is, the Rigid Scale Bow was created as more like a Level ~73 bow, except with a Level 70 requirement. So basically with Lv70 ammo you do Lv73 damage, whereas with a Level 80 bow and Lv70 ammo, you do Lv70 damage. I mean, since this is only the start of Level 80, we're only going to get Level 80-style gear(that being, if the next expansion holds no level increase, there would be an equal or be better than the Rigid Scale Bow, because you'd have a bow that would be tuned for ~83, which would with Lv70 ammo act like a ~lv73 or higher bow!).

Ily · 12-20-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by methulah

I'm sorry, but have you been to the Ranger class forums?

Yes, every class has some issues, and yes, the arrow problem needs to be fixed, but Sony have stated they know about the problem, and don't feel like doing anything right now. Flooding your class forums, and all the other forums isn't going to change that right now.

What also gets me is that rangers seem to whine about all of the other issues, too. I see someone creating a thread about their 80 spell, saying it isn't effective, and that although he knows they're an overpowered class, he'd like a better 80 spell. hey guys! I've got news for you! Every other class is getting fucked in the ass by Sony every day, and while you might not have as much ranged crit chance as melee scouts on items, those problems aren't any bigger than the rest of the bullshit in this game.

So, if you want to solve the arrow problem, go about it properly. Don't flood the forums with your whining. It gets old.

Here's an idea, dickhead.
If you don't like reading about Ranger complaints, stay off the fucking ranger forum, or away from posts with "Arrow" or "Arrows" or "Bows" or hell, even "Rangers" in the title.
And if you are really tarded enough to think Rangers are overpowered, how about you ask our forum mod and one of the best rangers in game why the fuck he betrayed to Assassin.

K? thx

ps. plz fix arrow mechanics before I get a level 80 bow.

Ranja · 12-20-2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Catseyes

i dont see the points with arrows. Doesnt rangers with RSB or same level bow top the parse ? Arent they making 1rst or Second on par with assys or top mages ?

i maxed my agi line last nite on my assy, and was amazed to see a big 22% ranged crit when i top 13% as melee... i have to play tons of plat for an adorn who give me 6 -8 piercing bonus, but arrows come with lot more.

Yes there is a mechanic weirdo, but does that make gimp rangers ? dont seems to me.

You sir are a moron. So much ignorance and stupidity in one thread I dont even know where to start.

Azleya · 12-20-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

Let me explain the problem. When you use a Lv70 bow with Lv70 ammo, you do what you're supposed to do on the bow. Now the thing is, the Rigid Scale Bow was created as more like a Level ~73 bow, except with a Level 70 requirement. So basically with Lv70 ammo you do Lv73 damage, whereas with a Level 80 bow and Lv70 ammo, you do Lv70 damage. I mean, since this is only the start of Level 80, we're only going to get Level 80-style gear(that being, if the next expansion holds no level increase, there would be an equal or be better than the Rigid Scale Bow, because you'd have a bow that would be tuned for ~83, which would with Lv70 ammo act like a ~lv73 or higher bow!).

I'm not quite sure exactly what argument you're making here, but I hope you're not trying to justify the poor quality of bow upgrades compared to melee weapon upgrades in RoK. If Rigid Scale Bow does "level 73 damage", don't top melee weapons from EoF also do "level 73 damage" by the same logic? Or is there some information you have that I do not? I find it really hard to justify having the top 1H weapon have ~87% of the damage rating of the top bow (Empowered Talon of Milyex vs. Vol'drath), not to mention massive crit and DA bonuses on top of that that the bow also doesn't have. Even if you throw out the Empowered Talon as an overpowered anomaly (and I do tend to think it's overpowered), the bow upgrades are still significantly lacking compared to the remaining melee weapon upgrades.

Again, I'm not certain this is the argument you're trying to make.