Yobor

Actually, I just remembered I forgot to equip my stun immune ring on a certain mob (the one we pulled directly after the sub boss) last time we were there. I'm going to the other room to find the logfile and see if I can answer any of these questions now!

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Yobor Impossibles'Possible - 80 Brigand - Unrest - Confirmed.

Slippery

If the stun takes place before the off hand swing you can't get an answer for certain without an extremely large sample. Besides the fact that I'd wager the double attack has both swings giving the chance to proc the stun (just like a dot), you can't say for sure. You may be able to say you believe but you will not prove it. Ok so you get one swing off on the primary weapon then nothing, did it stop a double attack? You get two swings off on the primary then nothing, did the double attack proc the stun or did the primary?

Statistics suck, all these things can and will happen. That is why you need a 100% chance to take that variable out of the equation.

Azleya

Actually if you know statistics and know how to do them right, you can get an extremely high degree of confidence in your conclusion without 100% chances.

Slippery

That doesn't mean your conclusion will be right.

Edit: I also believe I said earlier you would need an extremely large sample size for the statistics to not be skewed.

Azleya

You have to be able to reach conclusions without having the luxury of 100% certainty, because that's inevitably not a luxury you can always have, and you can get so close to 100% confidence that the probability you're wrong is insignificant, using statistical techniques like t-tests and z-tests.

Bagel

nerd

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Azleya

lol

Slippery

However, it would be far easier to prove double attack goes off before stun (which I imagine it does).

Yobor

Statistics actually rock, they allow you to apply leverage a problem and bring us certainty in an uncertain world. While I respect you as a player its obvious to me and everyone else reading this thread that you don't have a firm understanding of statistics and thats the true reason for your apprehension. It's a shame really especially in this game, very few things are spelled out to us by the developers. Often times we have to conduct experiments and perform statistical calculations on the results. A great example would be proc and crit rate scaling against mob level. According to the UI the mob con doesn't matter, but if we look at the number of crits and procs we generate against orange mobs, we can see that it deviates from the expected result in a statistically significant way. We've all known this for a while, long before anyone had 100% crit, thanks to statistics.

Regardless its a moot point anyway,

(1203387005)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:05 2008] You start fighting.
(1203387006)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:06 2008] YOU hit a palace sentry for 424 slashing damage.
(1203387006)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:06 2008] Your caustic poison afflicts A palace sentry!
(1203387006)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:06 2008] YOUR caustic poison hits a palace sentry for 1041 poison damage.
(1203387006)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:06 2008] You quickly advance and distract your opponent!
(1203387006)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:06 2008] YOUR Interrupt critically hits a palace sentry for 331 slashing damage.
(1203387006)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:06 2008] YOUR Venomous Runes hits a palace sentry for 226 poison damage.
(1203387006)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:06 2008] YOU hit a palace sentry for 1044 slashing damage.
(1203387006)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:06 2008] a palace sentry's Painful Backlash hits YOU for 278 magic damage.
(1203387006)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:06 2008] YOU hit a palace sentry for 1093 slashing damage.
(1203387006)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:06 2008] YOU critically hit a palace sentry for 1458 slashing damage.
(1203387010)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:10 2008] YOUR Venomous Runes hits a palace sentry for 289 poison damage.
(1203387010)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:10 2008] YOUR Compromising Thrust critically hits a palace sentry for 2265 slashing damage.

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(1203387013)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:13 2008] YOU critically hit a palace sentry for 2742 slashing damage.
(1203387013)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:13 2008] YOUR Pirate Stab critically hits a palace sentry for 1179 slashing damage.
(1203387013)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:13 2008] You quickly advance and distract your opponent!
(1203387013)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:13 2008] YOUR Interrupt critically hits a palace sentry for 371 slashing damage.
(1203387013)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:13 2008] YOUR Blade Chime hits a palace sentry for 305 disease damage.
(1203387013)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:13 2008] YOU critically hit a palace sentry for 2270 slashing damage.
(1203387013)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:13 2008] a palace sentry's Painful Backlash hits YOU for 177 magic damage.
(1203387013)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:13 2008] YOU critically hit a palace sentry for 2723 slashing damage.
(1203387013)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:13 2008] YOU critically hit a palace sentry for 2583 slashing damage.
(1203387013)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:13 2008] a palace sentry's Painful Backlash hits YOU for 206 magic damage.
(1203387015)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:15 2008] Sapphyre's Autumn's Kiss critically heals YOU for 383 hit points.
(1203387015)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:15 2008] Your energy returns to normal.
(1203387016)[Mon Feb 18 18:10:16 2008] YOUR Sidestab critically hits a palace sentry for 2125 slashing damage.

So it looks like in this case the melee double attack mechanic differs from the spell mechanic in that, in the melee world, the double attack is considered the same attack round regardless of whether control effects land during any point of the combat. Based on what others have said it sounds like the spell double mechanic is such that if you are stunned on the first spell, you get an interrupt message on the double attack "cast". This looks like something that should be corrected.

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Yobor Impossibles'Possible - 80 Brigand - Unrest - Confirmed.

Slippery

Just to eliminate variables any chance your chime was up?