Lost Ranger

I bet the first 4 bosses are doable with 2 groups. If you had -very- skill players you could prob do Doomcoil too because he hits like a chump. Anything after that is not going to happen and that is taking a leap of faith that you can get that far hehe.

Cheddar

Its funny reading posts from more experienced raiders saying kick the slackers etc.

What people dont seem to realise is that new raiders simply arnt there knocking on the door to replace the slackers.

Casual raiding is THE most difficult type of raiding there is in my opinion, its almost like raiding with one hand tied behind your back. You want to be succesful but you also dont want to turn raiding into some machine like be on everyday at this time for 4 hours chore for people.

I am in a guild that raids casually and it has taken us a long time to get to grips with things. The problem we found that you have your good players and you have your subpar players, good players drag along casual guilds and push their toons to the max. This can be great but then you have the good players becoming annoyed with the subpar players, who you cant kick because thre simply arnt people there to replace them.

This then leads to your good players becoming restless and most more than likely leave for hardcore raid guild, which I understand. Some stay due to loyalty others stay because their schedule wont allow them to raid hardcore.

My suggestions are to make sure you have rules in place, for DKP and for attendance. Also make sure your most loyal players are playing the right classes.

Healers/Bards etc are very difficult to find, if you have your MT and your healers all being played by your loyal officers etc then that helps considerably.

DPS is easy to find, and in my opinion easy to replace. Tell new recruits what you expect from them.

Parse all the time, talk about the parses in vent, some people are super sensisitve so again you have to be subtle, if you have 1 assasin doing 4k and another doing 1.5k then have the subpar one speak to the 4k dude.

Emphasis AA's and Adept3's and gear, people who role on fabled shit just because its fabled drive me nuts.

Lower tier zones are great for learning how to raid, including positioning, jousting, curing etc.

Ipaan

Don't wanna act like an asshole or anything, but what Cheddar said is worth emphasis.
Go back to T7 and learn to raid with 100% hit rates and where a failed jousting of an AE doesn't wipe the raid, then progress back to T8 once the dps is up around 25-40k at least.
Ad3:s and reading up on their classes is what everyone should spend an evening on if they wanna spend your time.
Promote good dps, ignore bad dps and ask crap-or-non-existant dps to come back from the kitchen during the raid.

Also, group setup is worth looking into as well. Are your groups maxed out with what you have or do you still stack up all mages in one group, all scouts in one and the fighters and healers in the other two? :p
Know there are a lot of threads on group setups and I'm sure you can find a lot of good advice there.

Been leading a casual guild's raiding as well, so I know your problem and I feel ya. Seeing one of my guilds parse around 35-40k in EoF where the other one parse 20k on good days makes ya frustrated. It will in the end make the good peeps leave and the crap stick around.

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MonkeyBob

I would love to raid, but am in a guild that just does not raid - its casual/family I guess... It does not help that I am in a funny timezone (GMT+12 - New Zealand).

For all those people saying "there is no-one to replace them with" I call bullshit. There are a lot of people who, like myself, would love to raid, but dont have the contacts/right server/right guild/any other reason you can think of.

True, many of those people who want to raid would not be able to commit either the time or the effort, or just "want to try it", or just want the easy way to loot, but im picking that there are many who actually would love the opportunity to prove themselves usefull. I currently use ACT and strive to get my toons to dps well - im sure that others do the same - maybe you just need to find them...

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Phuket

depends on the mob you are fighting and how you build your raid. What sort of equipment/adornments/AA-lines are in the raid. we currentlly parse like this:

t2 temple of kor-shar trash up to 80k
t1 thuuga trash with stun/fear up to 60k
t4 trash round about 40-50k

differs if more loot comes in, or goes out with leaves, if MT chainpulls or not ... or what classes are online ... or how we build the raid and who is really "awake"

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Kytar

In my experience as a casual raid leader, the main problem is that casual people do not run parses personally at all. They do not set themselves a benchmark then try and beat that.

I have raided with wizards that I outdamaged (as a dirge) by a full 50%. In KoS days they were doing 550 DPS or less. The main reason for this is they think "I'm a wizard, I do good DPS". Casual players often think that they do good DPS by virtue of being a particular class, not doing anything in particular.

If I were trying to improve my guilds DPS, I would make a very detailed post about how to get ACT and set it up. That way no one has any excuses about using it. Then encourage people to use it personally, even when grouping, just to get a feel for where their DPS is.

Next step would be to ask people to improve their DPS by 10% each week. This might make them stop and think about what they can improve.

You can follow this up by posting some target numbers for classes. Keep in mind that the numbers you see posted here on EQ2Flames are generally for raiding guilds. A casual guild should not feel too bad if they cannot reach those numbers in the short term. This is especially true for healers, in casual raids they are often too busy healing to do any real DPS at all.

Maybe in a private chat session actually compare their parse to a better one of their class and they might realise they don't use spell X enough etc. For instance, I have met dirges who passed badly and had no idea that Banshee and Scream of Death are major factors in our DPS. They were not using either. They presumed that since Banshee was an AE it would be a bad idea on a single mob.

In the same way, a guild wizard once found that another wizzy always hit his big stuff for vastly higher damage. On investigation one was waiting for dispatch and the other was not.

Getting constructive advice from guildies really only work is the people on both sides are quiet mature. Otherwise it is just not worth the hassle.

MrChickn

if you DPS is that low get some crusaders/bards that can parse.. maybe even some healers. if they start beating your DPS classes... get new DPS.

it honestly sounds like a lack of competation. and asking questions/research is king. finding out what others "high parsers" do as for as orders/gear/setups is your best bet.

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firamas

your group set up and classes available make a huge difference as well. (i'm going to assume that everyone is at least on a baseline of AD3's and T8 legendary weapons... if they're not, they better hurry the fuck up and find some)

having 4 bards and 4 enchanters in the raid makes a HUGE difference. shoot for 2 dirges, 2 troubs, 3 illys, and 1 coercer (MT group). you can tweak this a bit, but that's a good standard to start with.

your group setup is absolutely key here. you can quite literally cut someone's DPS in half by putting them in the wrong group. sticking the SK in the last slot in the mage group (assuming you already have a correctly built mage group) is going to do WONDERS for their DPS; conversely, sticking that same SK in a mediocre offtank group is going to cripple their ability to lay down the deeps. post your usual raid group setup here and we can try to tweak it.

otherwise, follow the advice already given. have someone running ACT and post the parses in the /raid channel after each fight. people can't ignore it when it's there every time. consider nominating your most experience person in each archetype (fighter, scout, mage, priest) to be the "class leader", and their job will be to mentor the other people in that archetype... AA setups, cast orders, general tactics, etc. most of that shit is easily found in any of the class forums on this board.

Catseyes

that's the problem with casuals, u cannot ask them to have best pre-raid gear, u have to do with.
But you should ask :
full a3s skills
most of quest good stuff as well faction stuff
most of instance stuff (as they re casual, they have more time to farm instances so should be well provided with )

They should bring pots (nox/trauma cures , food/drink, Str potions and suchs)

As stated, raid setting is key. Bards if possible (but they re on high demand ) , at least one brig (and have ppl to not waste big hits/ combos before dispatch is macroed ) ,and the right buffers in right groups (troubs and illys for mages, dirges/coerces for melees , with pallys on lock/wiz amend, zerk in melee dps etc )

be sure ppl is awake, and follow orders, dieing in AEs doesnt help .
Be sure they know the strat. Explaining each raid the mobs ,the timers, the strats, will help.

that's the max you can expect from casuals . After, yes, direct them to class forums where they get advices on gear/AA setting,and CA/Spell order optimisation for dps.

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rtwodeetwo

Try using EQ2.ca to track your Raid encounters or otherwise. Then everyone would know.