The fix to crusaders being left in the dust for DPS... - Page 10

Valanthe · 03-21-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinski

It's an upgrade, but it's a total piece of shit. 132 DR, when 1H Mythicals are 120 DR. That's pretty much garbage.

411 top end on 1H Mythical... (both Crusaders)

529 on Valor Sword...

War's upgraded Axe=? (this is the key; wasn't War's Axe THE 2H of choice last tier?)

EDIT

JFTR, the top end on War Axe last tier was 539, Valor's was 419.

Valor got an ~ 30% high end spread upgrade.

If we figure that in with War, we're looking at not quite a 700 high end.

Hypothetical, of course, but if it actually DOES work out like that then I think Crusaders will be in pretty good shape

Kall · 03-21-2008, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Valanthe

Hypothetical, of course, but if it actually DOES work out like that then I think Crusaders will be in pretty good shape

Yeah, because they have a 3% of getting it each time they kill an avatar?

Once avatars are being killed regularly the loot disparity from guild to guild is going to be worse than last tier.

Valanthe · 03-21-2008, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Kall

Yeah, because they have a 3% of getting it each time they kill an avatar?

Once avatars are being killed regularly the loot disparity from guild to guild is going to be worse than last tier.

If we're talking strictly on a high-end level, Crusaders aren't as doom and gloom as people are making them to be. It's just that the gear hasn't been discovered yet.

Deule · 03-21-2008, 12:36 PM

Wrong, 2h are not even close to what they should be, never have been and looks like they never will be. The new Valor sword looks great stat-wise, and the proc is descent but far from great, however still SOE hasn't figured out that these weapons should be hitting a lot harder than they do currently. Crusaders are getting shelved into using 2h weapons; however, there is no comparison to DW'ing for straight up melee damage especially when you start talking quad hits. The Valor sword should have a DR somewhere around 170 at least to make up for the fact that it is one big ass sword instead of 2 tiny little swords.

SOE got the delays right after KoS now they need to take a serious look at the raw damage of these weapons. A 2h weapon should be looked at as a viable option for DPS just like DW'ing.

Furthermore, didn't EQ1 have tanking 2h'ers for Crusaders? And I am not talking about this shitty valor sword with the +10 to defense or whatever, I am talking about having a 2h sword that has like +15 shield block on it.

And for who asked earlier, yes the SK Epic in EQ1 was a 2h weapon.

rtwodeetwo · 03-21-2008, 04:48 PM

I'm still trying to obtain enough reet faction on Vox to get my Mythical. The stats at the top of EQ2.ca Real Life Quest reflect a week or so of parses for lvl80 Paladin Acquisitor.

Acquisitor's standing INT sits above 1000. I routinely hit for over +5000 with my Smite Evil. I crit 80% of the time. I have a heal spec too where my Wisdom is quickly approaching 1000. Paladins make fine healers, especially for groups of 5 that don't intend to take much damage in an instance.

I started adding my parse data to www.Acquisitor.EQ2.ca if you care to follow the stats of a Lvl 80 Paladin. Your welcome to add your stats there too and have www.YourToon.EQ2.ca as well.

Lopann · 03-24-2008, 02:55 AM

Calaglin had it right, the Valor sword is a joke IMO, same piece of shit from T7 upgraded to look nice.

Dont get me wrong i could see places i would use it, but in all honestly if its a slight boost over the mythical id just be prone to say fuck it, with the SK Mythical's proc you would never loose aggro on crowd control aswell as it hits like a motherfucker, not to mention being able to sport a shield for it (Enabling shield bash).

I think its a pretty close trade off between the endgame 2h's atm and the mythical's, with a 2h you loose defense and the shield bash. With the myth you keep the bash, loose a bit of auto attack damage, but get a much better proc. I would be really interested to see parses in VP of a good 2h vs the Mythical for both pally and sk.

Rokkual · 03-31-2008, 05:53 PM

You guys see they just fixed rangers? Please, for the love of god, DO NOT FIX CRUSADERS!!!

Mallec · 04-01-2008, 07:46 AM

Two suggestions for a possible quick fix (yeah right)

1. Fervor of Faith - up our Melee crit damage. Make 50+

2. Somewhere in the Crusader tree, switch out one of the abilities to Enhanced 2hder - where both our stances get nice bonuses when we have a 2hder equipt

Kahling · 04-01-2008, 02:13 PM

Hmm i dont wanna duel wield I would rather have DA on both 1h and 2h thereby upping dps whichever role your playing. DA group buff of 10% on the wis line instead of the +HP regen, or DA 40% 2h / 60% 1h as the effect of swift attack instead of the haste.

SammaelCB · 04-02-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Deule

Right now crusaders are the only melee class that can't Dual Wield and this is becoming a serious crutch for us because of it. DW is like having 100% DA up all the time and than add on what DA % that you are buffed to and we are talking some mad quad hits for DPS. Warriors, brawlers, and all scouts have been given the ability to maximize DPS through this means while the crusaders have been left trying to fend for 2h weapons that do not put out the same type of damage output.

To make matters worse all epics excluding the ranger epic are 1h weapons. This means that all the other classes get to maximize their melee dps with their epic weapon while Crusaders pretty much carry theirs in their bags and it becomes extremely situational on whether we would use it or not.

As a SK I am extremely disappointed in my Mythical version of the epic. This thing does not carry the DPS it should at all and it has dropped us on the DPS chart to be second to last for DPS of fighters and even behind bards on parses. First thought is that SOE should seriously upgrade the DPS on our epic to be equivalant to that of a mythical 2h weapon to keep us on track to be where we should be for DPS; however, thinking it over more it only makes more sense that Crusaders be given the ability to DW. This would solve the serious gap in DPS that we are seeing at high end. Honestly, there is no good reasoning that SOE has to keep Crusaders from being able to DW, other than that than nobody at all will want the gimp 2h weapons that are out there just because DW > 2h every time.

You want to DPS(and DW) roll a DPS class that was designed for that. Sony has blurred the DPS lines enough by this universal complaining by non-DPS(tank,utility,etc) classes saying they don't do enough damage and its not fair because look at that assassin or wizz topping the parse! Why should you have higher and higher DPS? Its not like Sony is handing out extra utility spells and letting wizards wear plate when they "balance" classes. You can't have everything nor should you