Atelos_AB

I'm glad that someone else shares my opinion of RoK. I get so tired of hearing people complain that SK's and pallies are broken. We aren't broken. RoK is. Now, I will concede that there's a huge disparity between Guardian mythical and ours, but .... that's to be expected. Someone playing a guardian somewhere has been blowing the EQ2 guardian dev for years. It came as no surprise to me that our epic isn't that great in comparison.

Giralus

i haven't seen anyone say Sk or Paladins are broken (well i have seen an occasional Post in SK forums and it Quickly gets shot down by other SK's Stating " we aren't broken but we could use some minor tweaks")


Take away the DPS and the Mythicals and what Tank would you use as MT ? Guardian

so if we aren't equal in the Tanking department , and if our DPS is only Greater then a Guardian on Mutliple mobs(even then i'd like to see a skilled Guardian in ALL dps gear on the Same Multiple Mob encounter and see what they parse i dont think the differance will be Huge , guesin Sk might do 1 K more ,they would have to add in tons of multiple group mobs to just give Sk's a dps increase over guardians)

the Guardian Mythical was specificly crafted for a Guardian , it increases all there strenghts , and brings up there one weakness (buckler)
The Shadowknight Mythical was a IMO specificly created as an Offtank weopon, 10 second Clicky that makes Agro turn to you , 60% damage absorb, increased hate <<< thats all for OT'ing ,,, and is why the SK weopon FAILS , it wasn't created for AN SK , AN sk Mythical would be a 2 handed sword with a Built in Block/parry , Does Insane damage, inreases all our other damage + Lifetaps and Hate , and adds another charge to bloodletter


Sk's aren't broken, but yes they could use a little more DPS in Offensive, and more Survivability+agro in Defensive

In Eof we had 2 tanks that could MT Guard/Zerker and SK/Paladin could MT but was a LITTLE harder(5 -8% harder) and Any of them could OT .... Now in ROK we have 1 MT Guardian and all other fighters fighting for OT spot.

I personaly think that in EOF the 4 plate tanks were as Close to balanced as they have ever been , and i thought ROK would address those Minor disparities and we would have near perfect balance with the 4 plate tanks,,,,instead they borked the balance back to Eq2 at release ,

eq2 at Release until DOF(LU13) Guardains far and away the Best Tank,,,,,then was Paladin>Zerk>Sk ,,,,, and now in ROK we have Guardians the best Tank.........Paladin>SK=Zerker

instead of ironing out the small Differances in EOF , and making the 4 plate tanks almost 100 % equal in tankablity , they totaly bork the balance (i wonder if any Dev read any of the 4 Plate tank forums thru out EOF /sigh)

if Sk's Tanked Equaly with Guardians in ROK then i could care less about a Guardian Out Dpsing an SK on single targets and an SK out dpsing a Guardian on multiple targets , but there are Very very few Multiple Mob encounters in ROK, and Guardians Out Tank and Out dps Sk's on Single and 2 and 3 Mob encounters (without having to Use full dps Gear )

Ower

Making all the tanks kinda much the same is retarded... if they all can tank as good they all need to solo as good. They all need to dps the same. They all need to be good at OTing adds. They need to have the same fucking dps. Even if you dont think it. and many others dont think it. Its not that fucking unbalanced that everyone think. Sure guards got a fucking OMFG epic. But a sk or a zerk will still put out so fucking much more dps on aoe fights. So its mostly the expansion that are broken. If you dont like the SK epic you are however dumb... That epic might not be the guard epic. And yes i could agree with you that a 2hander would have been much better. But done you think if they made it a 2hander ppl would cry over that aswell? Yes they would. and you should be able to beat the guard on 3 mob encounters... if you dont suck that is. To the botten line. I can agree on that the SK epic would have been to much better use if you could change it from 1 hander to 2 hander. Kinda much like the wurmslayer. But DW... that some want... no. Sure 2handers need to be better than what they are for sure... So the fix would be boost up 2handers some.

Deule

A SK should be able to beat a Guard on any encounter...hands down. And everything you are saying is false...Guards with their Mythicals will beat a SK DPS wise...while being completely defensive and the SK being offensive...that is some fucked up balance.

What they need to do is take away your fucking Buckler line which has been over-powered since KoS. You say that things aren't so unbalanced...but again you are wrong. Guards tank the best and DPS the best while doing it. Guilds are carrying Guards as MT and Guards as OT now. That is a huge sign that shit is out of whack.

There are a few ways they could fix this. They could beef up 2h weapons, which definitely need it. Oh, but wait than our epic will sit in our bag most of the time. Ok, so they can make the epic switchable from a 1h to a 2h...but wait, what happens when you need to OT and pick up shit and your weapon doesn't change in-combat. A fix I would really like to see is SOE implementing a DA line much like what the warriors have in our Wisdom line since that line is completely useless. Hey I guess if I could hit 100% DA while holding a shield I would go for that over a being able to DW.

Shit is so fucking out of balance it is not even funny. Guards need a NERF to their DPS while SK's need a large increase to theirs and Zerks need a slight increase as well...and I mean in fucking defensive so that we are doing it when tanking, not when sacrificing a huge amount of survivability to put up descent numbers.

I can't wait to see what SOE does with the epics...because if they do what they SHOULD do, Guards will be crying, while a lot of other classes will be rejoicing in the change to theirs.

Ower

Deule pls learn to play your fucking class. and learn to understand that GUARD DIDENT GET MORE DPS WITH THE FUCKING MYTHICAL! are you really that fucking stupid? i have said it loads of fucking times. if you had the fucking buckler AA line you would still have the same dps. you need to get your shit together. If you can parse well as an SK you fucking suck at it and should reroll or quit the game. And some guilds do. they have guard guard pally. safer that way atm. But still you doesent understand a shit about anything... i understand that now when you come up with one retarded thing after the other one. Have seen SK parses over 5k on some group mobs.. and you think they should have even more??? if you cant dps with your SK maybe you should take a look at what you are doing insted of yelling nerf guards.

guapo1

Deule go play pacman or learn how to play your class.Palladins and sks can and have out parsed guardians with ease ,and in vp so cut the line of bs.

If it isnt the zerkers bitching bout guards mythicals now its crusaders crying becuase they feel there being left out to?.Stfu even with guardians mythicals zerkers out parse guardians with buckler spec. Yet they bitch and moan that guards do higher dps which we do not.Crusaders do out parse guardians but want higher dps.


Wtf do you guys expect increase your dps and guards stay with tier 4 dps structure. This will not happen. You get a raise in dps they will have to raise guards dps aswell to balance it out ,or we will never hold agro.

My advice as stated play pacman , learn your class, or go play fucking wow you know the easymode game.

Jikko

for some reason, hearing people tell someone to go learn how to play an SK strikes me as absolutely hilarious.

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Deule

Ha ha, looks like a hit a spot with a couple of over-powered Guards. Like I didn't know that that was going to happen. Why don't you guys do me a favor and go roll a tank class at the launch of a game that throughout the entire game for some reason gets treated as the red-headed step child. I would give anything to have SOE fucking reverse the role for once so that you fucking noobs could see how to really learn to play a class well is like, instead of fucking dropping your easy-mode reinforcement or some shit.

Balance is so fucked up....and the ones that post like you retards are the ones that are over-powered. I guess if I could be the most defensive tank, and parse higher than the other DPS tanks I would be a little edgey when people started talking about how over-powered I was too.

You 2 need to open your damn eyes and realize that there is something seriously wrong when Guards with their mythicals, while tanking in defensive out parse SK's and Zerks that are offensive...sure we can still have a slight edge on group mobs, but that shouldn't change on single mobs either.

Even funnier is that both of you scream learn to play your class and that is really the only argument you have. Guess what, I am extremely well at playing my class. I am one of those SK's that you hear about that when put in the right group set-up has hit 5k on certain mobs...however, I also know what I have to do to achieve that kind of DPS...and I also know what happens to my DPS if I have to go into any type of tank mode.

Once again, Guards DPS way too fucking much. Yes, you guys should not be showing up on any type of parse at all...SOE has given you all the defensive abilities, with that should come some serious sacrifice. I stated it, and will state it again, your Mythical raised your DPS IMMENSELY. You can say it however you want, but the fact is Guards were spec'd defensive for VP for the survivability, using the tower shield was a must. Meaning, that the buckler line did not do shit....guess what your fucking Mythical allowed you that complete defensive ability with the insanely, over-powered buckler line. Meaning damn good DPS without any defensive loss.

You 2 need to get the sand out of your vagina...because the worst of it is to come...Epic Revamp FTW.

Deule

I would also like to add that I did not start this thread with an idea of it going to talking about how over-powered some classes are. I just want to see DPS tanks actually being the ones that DPS more.

Furthermore...with Mythicals it is not just the Guard that is out parsing DPS fighters, I have seen some of the parses troubs can put up also...again because they can DW with their Mythical.

guapo1

God you are fucking stupid nm. This whole thread many people not just myself has said you are fucked in the head dude.There is a problem with crusaders its not dps dip shit its not enough utility so bitch bout that.Not your stupid enability to dps cuase you suck.

Further more epics getting revamped okay there getting revamped i honestly dont believe there going to screw with guards .Regardless how many times you complain. You are not going to get dw get over it, and crusaders dps is where it should be.You not dpsing high enough then your group set up is fucked ,or you just suck period.