guapo1

Overking minus twins like the others but with epic. Group was templar/defiler/assassin/dirge/coercer

guapo1

Deule he had dirge and a assasin in group with coercer.Yes we do have a nice dps structure now but no we are not over powered at all.May i also add was that parse before or after tanks got nerfed on there hit rate %.

Sks need work yes but no you dont need dw. Nor do you need to be high end parser either . Balance needs be tweaked with your gear and that is it.That was also not a full raid wide parse as stated above, and this is the exact same post.

guapo1

by deule


Play guard dude you obviously dont know shit.Buckler line was nerfed right before rok as it was.The aa line is not overpowered nor is our mythicals.You have no idea of the guard class, or how one is played that is obvious.Keep hearing from you that guard is easy push one button try playing one. Maybe then you will realise it is not just our tuants we use to hold agro.Its what ca combinations we use and our skill lvl plus DPS out put.

This was also a raid parse obviously the guards will have a high dps with there group structure. If you had same group set up you would have a high dps as well.You never get the same group set up in a raid ? why is that.Simply put becuase that would be like putting a volvo against a mack truck in a demoliton derby.

You honestly think you should be able to parse higher then a guard mt fully buffed for dps with lesser buffs in a raid?.Sks do need some work done yes but dw is not the answer . To think your supposed to be equivalent to a raid buffed guard with fewer buffs.You are indeed crazy.

Pinski

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Buckler Line is Overpowered as fuck with +mythical.

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Deule

I should be able to Parse higher than a raid buffed guard any day of the fucking week, that is the problem. You think you should be able to parse higher than all the other fighters and be the most defensive tank in the game?

You obviously have no idea what Guards are capable of. That parse Dog showed is what Guards are putting out DPS wise....and guess what I can't touch that ZW even though I am usually in the mage group with IA on me. No fighter can touch that ZW, and yet Guards are doing it while tanking in defensive.

Everybody knows the buckler line has been OP since its inception in KoS. Now with the Guard mythical SOE basically gave them the best of both worlds Defense + Offense.

Oh, and for the record SK's DPS plummets immensely when going completely defensive, unlike yours.

So lets see....comparison

Guards - - - - -> Top Mitigation, Top Avoidance, Top HP, and now Top DPS.

SK's - - - - -> Worst Mitigation, Worst Avoidance, Worst HP, and Second Worst DPS.

Go fuck yourself and your over-powered class.

guapo1

w/e pinski go back to illy mod.

Deule

Oh, it gets better...SOE did a ninja nerf to the SK's mitigation siphon spell...

Woot a whole 336 mitigation for a spell that is a long ass cast...not even worth using now.

Ower

I will bet that the parse is with DW and not with buckler. And guards arnt top dps for the tank classes. brawlers and zerks have more dps. And SK:s should have more aswell. even if you suck at it and cant parse well. And yes i know that there is a lack of grouped raid mobs in the game. But thats what missing if anything. And top mitigation? are you high or something? both warriors have the same fucking mit.

guapo1

Guardian mythical will not be changed nor will buckler and you can keep crying all you want bro you wont get dw.Like i said your class does needs some fixing increased dps possibly but dw hell no.


Your dps should be higher then current and you need better utility then you have i dont disagree.Dw you wont get.I also never said guardian should be better in all fields either i said we are the better of the 4 as mt in raids, and that is what we where designed for.Dps helps us hold agro and achieve agro. You think its just the click of a button thats where you are mistaken.I never said we should be higher on parse then outhers either so stop trying to put words in my mouth tard.

Giralus

Shadowknights Use DPS for Agro
Shadowknights have Tuant over time and a Bunch of Dots
Shadowkinghts cast Spells, that get interupted = no damage= no agro and lower dps
Shadowknights in Defensive have Crap DPS and Crap agro and Crap Survivability
Shadowknights cannot take prolonged beatings from heavy hitting mobs becuase they have no way to absorb the damage (Bloodletter helps but IMO there should be 2 charges on the Spell)

an SK takes Longer to Build agro , but cant Last as long agaisnt the same incoming damage but the fight will take longer becuase sk takes longer to lock agro and so the sk has to take even more damage = do the math .

i usualy OT for our guild , but when our Normal Guardian MT cannot attend a raid i MT , and certain names that the Guardian can Tank with 2 healers i cannot Tank with 3 healers. i also cannot lock agro down on Single mobs like a guardian so the Raid has to Ease into Dps and be more careful not to Rip agro and that means it will take even longer to kil the same Name using an SK

i think Soe is absolutly retarded with what they did with ROk making Guardians the 1 Primary Tank in the Game , if the Guardian is not able to make Raid then 23 other people can't Progress any farther in that raid.

Sure when a Shadowknight is Completely decked out in the absolute best gear they can get in the game and is 100 % mastererd they will be able to Tank almost anything in the game, but how many Shadowknights will get to that point befor an expansion or a level increase ? and by the there guardians will aslo be fully decked out and still be much easier to use as MT

what is the trade of for shadowknights for the reason they do not tank equaly as Guardians and do less Dps ? Evac ? you must be kidding me

its a short sighted view by SOE that they viewed the statistics and saw that Most raid guild use guardians as MT(and they couldnt figure out that isnt becuase people just Love guardians , but becuase the Guardians is just the Easiest MT to use for MT ) instead of having 4 tanks that could fill the MT or OT position , we have 1 Tank that is hands down MT and 4 tanks fighting over just the OT position, and Paladin is Hands down the best OT in the game , so realy there is no arguement Guard MT pally OT and Sk's get Evac and Zerkers get to twiddle there thumbs.



its pretty simple for Soe to Increase Sk's survivablity , they just need to add 1 charge back onto Bloodletter so the Skill has 2 charges(people cried overpowered in Beta of ROk and so it went live with just 1 charge ,, i dont think they feel the same way now when we see how hard Epics are hitting : ) and add into our Offensive stance if we are 2 Handed all our Damage will be increased by XX % to bring up our damage that is lacking in ROk , Agro all they need to do is increase our Syphon Hate AA to be 8 % of groups hate so it will be more equal with Amends , Defensive stance should atleast have the widom increase changed to Aviodance , and Agression Should be increased highley to make up for the Seriuos drop in DPS(the way SK's hold agro ) and proper itemization for SK's (Spell and CA increases) and Increased Damage on 2 Handeed weopons in ROK+ add in some +parry or +Defense on some 2 Handers


meh i have played an Sk since release and i don't expect any love from soe, its plain as day to everyone playing eq2 that sk's have issue's in rok , but its 5 months into expansion and not a peep



You can cry till the day is done that Guardians are suppose to be the Raid MT of eq2, but i have played since release and have seen the Dev's state Many many times " all tanks will Tank Equaly but by Different methods" and as a Point Shadowknights Tank NOTHING like a Guardian at ALL... the problem is they Dont take Diffrently and Equaly they tank diffrently and Not equaly , not equal in survivabilty, not equal in Agro and not equal in DPS ... so give it up ,

SK's dont need Fuck for Utility , we arent a Utility Class, we are a PLATE TANK . and need Minor Tweaks to Balance use out to be Equal but Diffrent.