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04-15-2008, 11:28 AM
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Character: guapo
Guild: evolution
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Re: The fix to crusaders being left in the dust for DPS...
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Originally Posted by Colcos~Firesword
Crusaders are the designated 2h class... and i must admit I've crunched just about as much DPS possible out of my toon, but compared to even other fighters, our DPS is gimp. MT guards often out DPS crusaders by far. My solution to this... Give us Double Attack on our Crusader tree on the strength line... Plain and simple... If i could get my double attack to 50% without losing my current gear..It would improve my DPS my dps a good 15-20% No dual wield for me ... please
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That wouldnt be a bad idea ,and dont really see why you dont have some kind of da to begin with.
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04-15-2008, 11:49 AM
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Character: Rinion
Server: Zul'jin
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Re: The fix to crusaders being left in the dust for DPS...
They should take a page out of the DND book. make 1H long weapons act as 2H weapons when off hand is empty.
or since eq2 mechanics are so fucked and that would greatly over power rouges with 1H AA...
just make that true for crusader Epic. or crusader in general.
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04-15-2008, 03:46 PM
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Character: Colcos La'Graf
Guild: Paradise Lost
Server: Oasis
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Re: The fix to crusaders being left in the dust for DPS...
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Originally Posted by Rinion
They should take a page out of the DND book. make 1H long weapons act as 2H weapons when off hand is empty.
or since eq2 mechanics are so fucked and that would greatly over power rouges with 1H AA...
just make that true for crusader Epic. or crusader in general.
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thats a neat idea.. especially for our Epic... since EVERY other class in the game gets greater use out of their epic's ... Wurmslayer like clicky so much to ask for? I mean seriously lol. Anyway, yes crusaders need something to make them more valuable in raids, and some extra DPS is a nice start.
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04-15-2008, 03:59 PM
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Character: Kearn
Guild: Dirty Dozen
Server: Oasis
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Re: The fix to crusaders being left in the dust for DPS...
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Originally Posted by Deule
And Guaposome of the top....go ask end SK's how they are looking on the parse compared to the other classes. Find out where they sit compared to the Guards...you know the fucking Defensive tank...the one that is supposed to have the least amount of DPS, whether it is single mobs or group mobs.
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Our SK is on the parse every other fight.
You suck at playing an SK, your gear sucks, your raid sucks or your raid leader is a fucking idiot.
Choose them all or whichever one is applicable to you.
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04-15-2008, 04:16 PM
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Character: Colcos La'Graf
Guild: Paradise Lost
Server: Oasis
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Re: The fix to crusaders being left in the dust for DPS...
Yes Davion, Udie is a very good SK, thats not being contested here. Deule DOES know what he's talking about, and is another of us that chat constantly on the SK WW channel. Udie is the best geared SK on Oasis, and yes his numbers are very good. I myself top 8 our parse every time.... usually oh about one spot behind our DEFENSIVE STANCE, MAIN TANK Guardian. We have a casual raiding zerker, with substantially less gear than myself, who puts out equal numbers as myself. I know for a fact brawlers can surpass us. Udie is an exceptional SK, that doesn't mean that much of our community (although equally knowledgeable as your SK) doesn't struggle.
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04-15-2008, 06:24 PM
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Character: guapo
Guild: evolution
Server: splitpaw
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Re: The fix to crusaders being left in the dust for DPS...
zerkers are supposed to be the highest dps ,guardians lowest ,sks and paladins inbetween. That is where you are wrong thinking you should be top parser of the 4. You get heals where we do not and better debuffs not to mention spell ability that does allow you to hold agro better.
Some one recently said sk and paladins are not hybrids this isnt eq1.Bullshit you even know what a damn hybrid is ?.sk is a mix breed of a necro and paladin gone bad.paladin is the mix of a templer and guard.Hybrid cross breeded class in dnd would be called duel class.Yes your classes need work to have some more importance.
Rinion had a very good idea and so did colcos. However the rest of you are asking for shit that is incredibly insane and wont happen.You will not be higher dps then a zerker, and sure then hell will not ever have a higher survivability / equal to that of a guard or zerk.You want fixes / and do need fixes , however stick to what your classes where designed to be best at.
Dps does need to be fixed a little but your not going to get higher then a zerker you should be higher then a guard though hands down.
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04-15-2008, 08:04 PM
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Character: Lopann
Guild: Retired
Server: Crush to the Bone
Posts: 674
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Re: The fix to crusaders being left in the dust for DPS...
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Originally Posted by Ower
you are fucking stupid... that is not a bad thing... since you are a fucking off tank.. If that one shit can save you from getting 1 shoted how in hell can it be bad? If MT goes down... you take over with that shit up. MT back up and take over... That was a fucking nice add on even if you cant see it.
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Because you cant predict when you are going to need it fucktard... god damn this entire thread is a fucking abomination, keep moaning you whiney bitches...
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04-15-2008, 08:37 PM
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Character: Deule
Guild: Diesel
Server: Befallen
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Re: The fix to crusaders being left in the dust for DPS...
There is no such thing as hybrids....this is not EQ1.
If that is the case than Guards are fucking Hybrids of Warriors and a fucking Dev's mom.
Seriously, wake up. Yes SK's use spells, Warriors use CA's. Wow, so since that is the case than SK's should be fucked? I mean where is my Lifeburn ability than? SK's are TANKS!!! They just do it a little bit differently, or that is the idea behind them. Now I am willing to let the fact that Guards get the most survivability, but only if the trade off means that SK's get to fucking own them in all other areas. And I love the fact that you state Zerks should get to DPS more than SK's and tank better than SK's. I mean, what do you think every warrior should just get the best of everything?
Zerks and SK's are under the same principle. Both are offensive tanks. If one is going to DPS more than the other than again the other needs something to make up for that loss...and no Lifetaps do not make up for that loss since Zerks get temp buffs.
Anyway, yeah since the Guards have come into this thread it has gotten pretty retarded. Anybody can see that they will say anything to make sure their uberness is maintained.
P.S. WTB the dev or devs Guards are blowing.
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04-15-2008, 11:45 PM
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Character: guapo
Guild: evolution
Server: splitpaw
Posts: 399
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Re: The fix to crusaders being left in the dust for DPS...
Dude you are a complete idiot. yes its not eq1 its eq2 same fucking thing just massive years later.Paladins in eq 1 and paladins in eq2 your still a fucking hybrid.
It is not just guards telling you that you are infact a moron .Its your own fucking class telling you your a fucking moron.Its bards zerks and outher classes in this thread doing what ? telling you the same thing you are a fucking moron.Reread this thread it isnt just guards.
Each guards /zerk higher survivability is becuase we dont have the self heals to keep us up unlike sk paladins do.Guards higher then zerkers why becuase zerkers put out more dps then we do.zerkers higher then sk paladin why becuase you can heal your selfs to stay up longer.
You keep mentioning guards blowing devs you like sucking cock or something sounds like you have alot of experience in the field ?.You want to fucking tank and be a mt you roll a guard ,you want to dps and be a decent ot you roll a zerker.
Wether its eq1 or eq2 same mechanic and yes you are a fucking hybrid wether you like it or not.Want to bitch at some one bitch at your pally dad for fucking a necro to begin with to make a sob sk like you.
Eq1 was fucked up with warriors becuase of bitches like you bitching moaning wineing we should have higher dps.What happend warriors got fucked over there tuants where shit there dps was fucking retarded so they where not able to hold agro.Soe will not make that same mistake again.
You are not supposed to be top dps nor top defense.You wanted to play the fucking solo class fighters with self heals thats your own fucking problem. Not soes not zerks not guardians.Deal with it becuase sure in hell you will not ever be the top dps fighter ,or the top defensive.You will always remain inbetween the 2 guard and zerk.Deule your posting just proves more so to me how fucking clueless you really are.
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04-15-2008, 11:58 PM
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Character: guapo
Guild: evolution
Server: splitpaw
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Re: The fix to crusaders being left in the dust for DPS...
Warriors soloing line up best to least sk paladin zerker guard.
Raiding line up best to least in mt postion guard zerk paladin sk.
group zerker paladin sk guard.
Utility/debuffs paladins sk zerkers guards.
If everything was supposed to be as you say equivalent these should not be different.Guardians Are only good period as a mt.Where the rest of you excel in the outher fields we do not.nuff said.
Whats next deule lets just say you get your wish ,and out parse all fighters bruisers monk excetra.Then becuase you cast spells your going to say wait a minute i have spells to i should have higher parses then the wizards doing 7 k zw?.
Last edited by guapo1; 04-16-2008 at 12:08 AM.
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