guapo1

yes great idea!!!!!!!!!

Plz do that and guards would still be out parseing most.I been trying to tell you period it isnt just becuase of da.Your classes didnt get dps increase like they should have.I dont use buckler at all when i mt i use tower.I still am high on parses.I dont have mythical.Many classes not just sk are suffering becuase there dps was not properly scaled.

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This clearly shows you have no clue about uncontested avoidance

by mahgnus

All the plate tanks can use the same exact adournments to raise there avoidence uncontestedly.The actuall mitigated ,and avoidence factors are different however each tank type.Starting with guards at highest then the outher classes have penalty on there % of actuall mitigated/ avoided dmg taken.

This shit isnt new eof introduced the penatly when it came out.Even that was fucked up at start when you saw tanks wareing leather to tank ,and avoided dmg alot better then plate.Then soe fixed it and introduced the % penalty starting with guard, and down the list.


By deule




Deule what ever you may think im not worried that mt spot be taken over.Fact sk, paladin ,and zerker will never out tank a guardian when that is there primary job in raid situation .Guards are not hybrids.

Funny thing is duele alot of people on this thread have told you that you infact are an idiot. It was'nt just guards it was zerkers ,paladins, as well as sks your own class. Hell even scouts jumped in to tell you how lame you are.

How could you talk sense to anyone when infact you lack comon sense ,and actuall facts to aide your cuase deule.Every arguement, or idea you brought up has been ridiculed and proven wrong.Why becuase they where fucking retarded deule.


Trolling hmm i been staying on topic the whole time deule.You dont even know the meaning of trolling that how dumb you are.

If i was trolling lfg would have told me by now ,and more then likely banned me.If you cant come up with reasonable ideas ,and facts to support your views ,ideas, and opinions then just stfu.Honestly you are to fucking stupid to come up with something very clevor though as noticed.

Im not just saying.Just saying.


There are many classes in this game atm that need there dps increased/spells increased.Abilities increased.To be more balanced with game currently.Which i have been saying all along.Just saying


PS . Skar btw guardian easy slack class you say hmm.Should dw like eq1.Yep exactly why did warriors dw in eq 1 scar becuase soe could not balance out dps properly, and warriors tuants. To fucking work worth a damn.Which will fucking happen here listening to your no brain twit ideas.Balance is fucked up with dps right now but infact its your classes that need the increase.If they nerf guards they better fucking nerf all spell casters spell dps to.

Tyirul

[quote=guapo1;570050]yes great idea!!!!!!!!!

Plz do that and guards would still be out parseing most.I been trying to tell you period it isnt just becuase of da.Your classes didnt get dps increase like they should have.I dont use buckler at all when i mt i use tower.I still am high on parses.I dont have mythical.Many classes not just sk are suffering becuase there dps was not properly scaled.

- Thank you Captain Fucking Obvious -
by mahgnus

All the plate tanks can use the same exact adournments to raise there avoidence uncontestedly.The actuall mitigated ,and avoidence factors are different however each tank type.Starting with guards at highest then the outher classes have penalty on there % of actuall mitigated/ avoided dmg taken.

This shit isnt new eof introduced the penatly when it came out.Even that was fucked up at start when you saw tanks wareing leather to tank ,and avoided dmg alot better then plate.Then soe fixed it and introduced the % penalty starting with guard, and down the list.

- So, it's cool for there be a gap of more than 10% between One class and the others? Seriously... -


By deule




Deule what ever you may think im not worried that mt spot be taken over.Fact sk, paladin ,and zerker will never out tank a guardian when that is there primary job in raid situation .Guards are not hybrids.

Funny thing is duele alot of people on this thread have told you that you infact are an idiot. It was'nt just guards it was zerkers ,paladins, as well as sks your own class. Hell even scouts jumped in to tell you how lame you are.

How could you talk sense to anyone when infact you lack comon sense ,and actuall facts to aide your cuase deule.Every arguement, or idea you brought up has been ridiculed and proven wrong.Why becuase they where fucking retarded deule.


Trolling hmm i been staying on topic the whole time deule.You dont even know the meaning of trolling that how dumb you are.

If i was trolling lfg would have told me by now ,and more then likely banned me.If you cant come up with reasonable ideas ,and facts to support your views ,ideas, and opinions then just stfu.Honestly you are to fucking stupid to come up with something very clevor though as noticed.

Im not just saying.Just saying.


There are many classes in this game atm that need there dps increased/spells increased.Abilities increased.To be more balanced with game currently.Which i have been saying all along.Just saying

- Duele is a dick, occassionally retarded.. this is all true. That being said, I can honestly say that he's only ever been wrong once that I know of when pertaining to tanking and Shadowknights. -

PS . Skar btw guardian easy slack class you say hmm.Should dw like eq1.Yep exactly why did warriors dw in eq 1 scar becuase soe could not balance out dps properly, and warriors tuants. To fucking work worth a damn.Which will fucking happen here listening to your no brain twit ideas.Balance is fucked up with dps right now but infact its your classes that need the increase.If they nerf guards they better fucking nerf all spell casters spell dps to.

- Guards need their DPS because they are broken. Like everyone else. Big fucking surprise. We aren't in this thread to give a fuck about Guardians. Go making a fucking thread, or join one that's open. Guards should not be about DPS, they should be about Aggro. They should be nerfed, and don't fucking whine cause you deserve the nerfbat. -[/quote]

Guapo. I have not read your drivel. That being said, I don't really have to. I can gather what your going to spout because i've been hearing the same shit for about as long as i've played EQ2. Kindly shut the fuck up, and keep your irrelevent opinions to yourself. I repeat, do not post pertaining to class mechanics ever again, do not say we are broken and then say we need to be redone, stop eating the foot you stuck in your own ass!

Just.. stop!

guapo1

- So, it's cool for there be a gap of more than 10% between One class and the others? Seriously... -

So its cool for 4 of the fighter types to have self heal ability over the outher 2?.Spells/fd/high dps.With your question brings simple logic why have 6 different tank types to begin with?.Why not just one with all those abilities.Mitigated dmg intake is just one of the things that makes all outhers different from each outher.We each have things we do better then one anouther.



- Guards need their DPS because they are broken. Like everyone else. Big fucking surprise. We aren't in this thread to give a fuck about Guardians. Go making a fucking thread, or join one that's open. Guards should not be about DPS, they should be about Aggro. They should be nerfed, and don't fucking whine cause you deserve the nerfbat. -[/quote]


No then why post bullshit like deule did asking for the abilities of guardians ,and moaning there so over powered.When in fact your class is unbalanced becuase soe fucking didnt calculate all the additions properly.Cant honestly tell me you thought guardians would not reply back to that.

Guardians dont need be nerfed sks need to be fucking balanced with dps ,spell dps ,and there mitigation some.


Guapo. I have not read your drivel. That being said, I don't really have to. I can gather what your going to spout because i've been hearing the same shit for about as long as i've played EQ2. Kindly shut the fuck up, and keep your irrelevent opinions to yourself. I repeat, do not post pertaining to class mechanics ever again, do not say we are broken and then say we need to be redone, stop eating the foot you stuck in your own ass!

Just.. stop![/quote]



Nothing i posted is irrelevent you just cant handle the simple fucking truth your not ever going to be equal to a guard, or mt period.I dont give a fuck soe could give you all your demands. 2 weeks later you be back on eq2 players crying for more.

Exactly like paladins and sks did in eq1.When warriors got so fucked up as a class they had to duel wield to hold agro.There tuants where shit ,and could not make up the difference with group dps ,or raid dps.Why becuase sk/paladins ,and all outher caster classes bitched they should do alot of dps.Soe could not balance that shit out ,or fix tuants to mathmatically fit in the equation to work properly to hold agro.


When all is said, and done watch it wont stop with nerf guards.Right after there nerfed then casters will be nerfed dps.Never stops with one nerf, always follows up with many more.

Shit roles down hill keep it up on your crusade of truth and rightiousness.Your only going to hurt your selfs and the rest in the process more.

Narkle

TL;DR...Roll an SK please stop till you do it

guapo1

Yeah ill get right on that.When hell freezes over i made a guard becuase i wanted to have a defenent role in raids.I didnt want to play a hybrid class/ i never will ever play a hybrid class.I knew what i was getting into when i started/ previous experience with eq1 told me guard would be highly wanted /used at end game.

Ower

What is it that you dont understand? a pally and a guard with the same gear the pally will have more block than the guard du to the AA line. Did you understand it this time? You keep falling back to that block is the same for all tanks. And yes it is. but pallys can get more of it.

And i did never say that the fucking gear was better on a crusader than a warrior. what i said was if you are at cap on avoidance you cant get more. So why spec up more...

Anjin

Depends if when you've reached the cap, added uncontested avoidance will take contesteds place. If so, you may well have reached the cap, but by adding more uncontested avoidance you're making your avoidance better.

SKAR

My eq1 warrior NEVER had a problem with losing agro. I did however have to take off my hate proccing weapons when I was not tanking.

1. My warrior had max agro when he was doing med. dps - max hate procs.
2. My warrior had low agro when he was doing MORE dps - 2h weap, no hate procs.
3. My warrior had medium agro (which was enough), least dps, and max defensive when using a 1h and shield. I think it was something like "furious bash" on the shield or something.

Anyhow - seemed pretty fucking balanced to me. I'm not saying SOE could accomplish it with EQ2, but it would be nice to see some movement in that direction again.

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Tyirul

Uh yeah, the thing is they never will have the same gear. Aren't you just a fucking genius?

Tyirul

Nothing i posted is irrelevent you just cant handle the simple fucking truth your not ever going to be equal to a guard, or mt period.I dont give a fuck soe could give you all your demands. 2 weeks later you be back on eq2 players crying for more.

Actually, before I quit I was better than most Guards when tanking, and I had MT'd over some crappy ones. I am a better Tank then you will ever be. But that's besides the point, so stop bullshiting around the motherfucking bush and stay on fucking topic.

Exactly like paladins and sks did in eq1.When warriors got so fucked up as a class they had to duel wield to hold agro.There tuants where shit ,and could not make up the difference with group dps ,or raid dps.Why becuase sk/paladins ,and all outher caster classes bitched they should do alot of dps.Soe could not balance that shit out ,or fix tuants to mathmatically fit in the equation to work properly to hold agro.

Shadowknights really didn't bitch all that much in EQ1. It was basically Paladins, and they had alot of reason to. This isn't about EQ1 though, thanks again for once more completely ignoring the true purpose of this entire post. Your like a fucking bitch, always bringing up past topics and side issues afraid to stay with the main point. Annoying little cunt.


When all is said, and done watch it wont stop with nerf guards.Right after there nerfed then casters will be nerfed dps.Never stops with one nerf, always follows up with many more.

No one will be getting nerfed. Nothing will ever be done. Why? People with your shitty ass mindset actually fucking play the game and feed the idiocy that is $oE. You tell them that hey you've fucked up, but it's okay! Dumbass.

Shit roles down hill keep it up on your crusade of truth and rightiousness.Your only going to hurt your selfs and the rest in the process more.

I don't believe in Crusades. I believe in a steady logic, and intelligence which you most certainly do not. It's too late.. if Shadowknights get fucked up as a class anymore, they'll just SUCK more it won't be that noticeable of a difference. If you ever actually played a proficient Shadowknight and played a Guardian as well, you MIGHT (VERY UNLIKELY) be able to notice just how vastly different they are! [/quote]

That being said, this thread was meant to be about a fix to Shadowknights/Paladins. Whatever may have been said during the process regarding anything else because of the badgering, rambling, madness, idiocy or drivel that may have been posted is irrelevent.