The fix to crusaders being left in the dust for DPS... - Page 39

Mahgnus · 05-03-2008, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Vainamoinen

You are mostly an idiot... the rest can be chalked up to a grade 3 level of reading.

QFE

Pitty · 05-03-2008, 12:41 AM

I haven't read this 30 pages of bullshit, but the simple fix to SK's would be to add 12% riposte to our defensive stance, it would do 3 things.

1. Increase our DPS slightly with defensive stance.
2. Add some extra hate from the damage being returned to the mob
3. Most importantly give us a defensive boost.

Doesnt even have to be on our defensive stance, they could add it to the SK tree. Remove Enhance mana seige, becuase no one would ever pick that pos upgrade.

Anjin · 05-03-2008, 06:46 AM

Totally agree - it should definately be something along those lines. Asking for just a DPS increase doesn't actucally do SK's any favours really as a) it still won't help survivability tanking, and b) it still won't make them viable as a DPS class in raids.

Anjin · 05-03-2008, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Vainamoinen

You are mostly an idiot... the rest can be chalked up to a grade 3 level of reading.

Well, if you think giving SK's more DPS is going to solve their problems, you're the idiot. Value makes classes beneficial to raids, giving SK's more DPS adds very little value. Either push for more group/raid wide buffage, uber mob debuffage or better survivability/aggro control for tanking.

I play a monk, and until we got our raidwide buff there was minimal value to a raid, even though our dps was acceptable. I also play a guardian, who I betrayed from berserker due to being inferior to guardians (and paladins!).

Orochan · 05-03-2008, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Anjin

Well, if you think giving SK's more DPS is going to solve their problems, you're the idiot. Value makes classes beneficial to raids, giving SK's more DPS adds very little value. Either push for more group/raid wide buffage, uber mob debuffage or better survivability/aggro control for tanking.

I play a monk, and until we got our raidwide buff there was minimal value to a raid, even though our dps was acceptable. I also play a guardian, who I betrayed from berserker due to being inferior to guardians (and paladins!).

I think SK's need a little bump in all areas tbh. Right now all they really offer to a raid that stands out is death march imo.

The problem is SOE has gradually made the only real viable tanks in rok guard or zerk. Hell didn't aerylik even say crusaders weren't meant to be MT's?

While I don't think SK's should ever be on par tanking wise compared to guards, they at least should be a viable option if no guard is present ( in both group and raids ) ATM if a raid force lacks a guard or zerk they are more or less fucked, and that should never be the case imo.

Though it is hard to balance out 24 classes imo, even when eq2 launched I was shocked at the number of classes they had.

Ower · 05-03-2008, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Orochan

I think SK's need a little bump in all areas tbh. Right now all they really offer to a raid that stands out is death march imo.

The problem is SOE has gradually made the only real viable tanks in rok guard or zerk. Hell didn't aerylik even say crusaders weren't meant to be MT's?

While I don't think SK's should ever be on par tanking wise compared to guards, they at least should be a viable option if no guard is present ( in both group and raids ) ATM if a raid force lacks a guard or zerk they are more or less fucked, and that should never be the case imo.

Though it is hard to balance out 24 classes imo, even when eq2 launched I was shocked at the number of classes they had.

Guard/zerk? guess thats why many of the zerks are playing pallys or betrayed to Guards. And when did aerylik say that?

Add 60% DA attack when crusaders use 2 handers (to AA that is) And give SK:s some uncontested Avoidance.. like parry or ripost. That would be a fix to it imo.

Orochan · 05-03-2008, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ower

Guard/zerk? guess thats why many of the zerks are playing pallys or betrayed to Guards. And when did aerylik say that?

Ehh, I guess in VP+ guards > zerks but tbh in the lower end raids I didn't really notice a diff between a guard and zerk tanking. Could just be me though, and I don't when aerylik said it but I know he did in some post on this site.

Ower · 05-03-2008, 07:54 AM

Pallys still works better than zerks imo.

boli · 05-03-2008, 07:55 AM

Guards > all other tanks reguardless of tier.

Ower · 05-03-2008, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by boli

Guards > all other tanks reguardless of tier.

cant say no to that when it comes to MTing.