The fix to crusaders being left in the dust for DPS... - Page 5

MrChickn · 03-13-2008, 02:00 AM

The fix to crusaders being left in the dust for DPS...

Thats easy... Delete all Crusaders.

I have play with some badass pallies.. Nardaak was one of them... and my future x-wife Azleah....Nardaak would rock you so hard you mom would get off on it. the OP is obivously some scurb that should have rolled a easymode DPS class, if you cant play you class to your full potential and want more. oh and before you try to flame me, i was a bard. so i know where you are coming from.. but the difference is... i was good at my class.

marcusavalon · 03-13-2008, 04:31 AM

Well the great DPS debate again I have played Paladin since the game began and have been through all the changes. Frankly DPS has more to do with your group set up in a raid than what you have done with your AA trees etc. There are a couple of standard set ups for raid tanks that are well documented and if you look at most raiding Paladins they all have one or the other set up bascialy the choice is wether to do the trample line for the AOE + or the haste line. I have tried both and found that it does not make huge differences to DPS and thats its more effected by presence or absence of dirges etc If your playing your Paladin right you should comfortably be doing raid wide parses of 1000+ Dual wield would be fun but with the tools at a Paladins disposal not sure it would add much. I can pull aggro off a MT gaurd dispite the DPS differential and my off tank role does not need massive DPS. We are not a DPS class.

Nardaak · 03-13-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Onra

If a crusaders DPS is low it's because they are lazy or just plain suck. We do not want nor need dual weilds.

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Originally Posted by Stonestrong

He is correct.

Use a fucking 2 Hander, you don't need to dual wield shit.

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Originally Posted by Wonsokman

nardaak pwns Deyke thread ended

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Originally Posted by MrChickn

I have play with some badass pallies.. Nardaak was one of them... and my future x-wife Azleah....Nardaak would rock you so hard you mom would get off on it. the OP is obivously some scurb that should have rolled a easymode DPS class, if you cant play you class to your full potential and want more. oh and before you try to flame me, i was a bard. so i know where you are coming from.. but the difference is... i was good at my class.

Would you like to post more comments on me being a retard? If you truly believe you need the viability of dual wield to dps you are just retarded, warriors dps comes more from their AA abilites like 60% double attack from stamina line. Yes our dps sucks kind of when tanking but your not tanking anything past trash in VP dual wield, and only reason ours sucks is the bard/crusader gear, find ways around it while still maximizing your character in both tanking/dps. And its not only these two subclasses hurting atm, the hit rate bullshit is fucking everyone over and mostly tanks than anyone. Thank you for showing you are a very incompetent paladin and reinforcing the fact of why I gave up on our class community way back in Teir5.

MeridianR · 03-13-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kall

This same exact argument applies to Bards as well. The problem is that Warriors do too much DPS, not that Crusaders do too little.

Kall nailed it way back here. It's been the same issue since KoS, and the addition of AA's.

Deule · 03-13-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nardaak

Would you like to post more comments on me being a retard? If you truly believe you need the viability of dual wield to dps you are just retarded, warriors dps comes more from their AA abilites like 60% double attack from stamina line. Yes our dps sucks kind of when tanking but your not tanking anything past trash in VP dual wield, and only reason ours sucks is the bard/crusader gear, find ways around it while still maximizing your character in both tanking/dps. And its not only these two subclasses hurting atm, the hit rate bullshit is fucking everyone over and mostly tanks than anyone. Thank you for showing you are a very incompetent paladin and reinforcing the fact of why I gave up on our class community way back in Teir5.

I think if I was a paladin I would shoot myself. Gratz for being a class that is completely built around one stupid ability. And amazingly everybody posting against this or that are saying that Crusaders do enough DPS are the Paladins, or some other completely random class like a bard.

For the poster that was talking about having a group and maximizing it that way...well no shit. I know how to max my DPS. The problem is being a SK and when I am not tanking why would I get into the maximized group for myself? I love rolling in the mage group having IA and haste from the Illu, but guess what the little argument I had left for being there was blown out of the water with the introduction of Mythicals. Hell, give IA to a troub instead now because guess what they get to DW and will get more use out of it.

Nardaak if you are a representation of the Paladin community than wow, what a sad state the Paladin community is in. Fortunately I know this is not true. I have played with some good Paladins, and unlike you they understand the state of Crusaders a hell of a lot better. There is a huge gap between Guardians and Crusaders in tankability, which is fine let it be that way, but there is also a huge gap between Warriors and Crusaders in DPS ability...and that is just bull shit.

Anyhow, this post was more or less to vent and bring up again the disparity that is present. Its not like I actually think SOE will wake up and fix shit.

Lopann · 03-13-2008, 07:22 PM

Honestly im happy with the dps the way it is now. If your not a compelte fucktard parsing well is easy, just depends on group and gear. 2h for dps is absolutly nessisary (unless you have a mythical). Honestly im suprised more pallys arnt upset as they have usually done a tad less dps than an sk (not always, but mostly), but usualy tanked a bit better with amends, etc.

Ower · 03-13-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Deule

There is a huge gap between Guardians and Crusaders in tankability, which is fine let it be that way, but there is also a huge gap between Warriors and Crusaders in DPS ability...and that is just bull shit.

There isent... they arnt as good as guards as Main tanking but they fucking rape a guard in OT:ing adds and stuff... so how in hell can you say that guards have so fucking more? This only shows how retarded some ppl are... Pally is a sweet tank class good as hell for OT:ing the best tank you can OT with atm imo... As far for sk:s... I dont see anything wrong with the SK dps... i have seen SK:s do freaking nice parses... So i wouldent say that DW is needed for sk:s... buff with spell crit and int and you should do more dps... since spells are the shit for an Sk.

MrChickn · 03-13-2008, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Deule

Nardaak if you are a representation of the Paladin community than wow, what a sad state the Paladin community is in. Fortunately I know this is not true. I have played with some good Paladins, and unlike you they understand the state of Crusaders a hell of a lot better. There is a huge gap between Guardians and Crusaders in tankability, which is fine let it be that way, but there is also a huge gap between Warriors and Crusaders in DPS ability...and that is just bull shit.

Anyhow, this post was more or less to vent and bring up again the disparity that is present. Its not like I actually think SOE will wake up and fix shit.

Crusaders arent that bad off... lets compare bards and crusaders...

Crusaders>>Better Solo AAs.
Crusaders>>Offensive Stances.
Crusaders>>Actually get buffs from other classes.
Bards>>bring group buffs.

Bards>>better group AAs.
Also there is gear out there that is Mages/Crusaders that bards cannot utilize if they choose to and should be able too.

Like Kall said its not that you do too lil DPS other fighter class do too much. besides that you are fucking hybrids. welcome to what bards have been talking about for the better part of 2 years.. You dont hear bards crying we want to do rogue/pred DPS. look at illys, they not only bring group utility they also parse ridiculously high, overpower? lil bit. but SoE will fixed it 3 years down the road... main point of this whole post is if you cant do your job with what you got, quit the game because you fucking suck.

Darcon · 03-14-2008, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Deule

Nardaak if you are a representation of the Paladin community than wow, what a sad state the Paladin community is in. Fortunately I know this is not true. I have played with some good Paladins, and unlike you they understand the state of Crusaders a hell of a lot better.

You sir are an idiot. I will tell you right now if there is anyone who understands the fundamentals of the crusader archetype Nardaak is your man, but hey three or four other crusaders who most people would consider to be some what of an authority on the subject just told you that you were basically just another noob w/ an EQ2flames account and a keen knack for self inflicted humiliation and you kept coming back for more so I doubt anything I post is going to sway you in a different direction.

MrChickn · 03-14-2008, 01:14 AM

hey buddy.... DEATH TO BOSTON '08