The fix to crusaders being left in the dust for DPS... - Page 7

Deule · 03-15-2008, 08:21 PM

Oh yeah, thats because Pally's get Amends. Lol, way to have your class completely dependent on one ability.

Hexus · 03-16-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Faxon

dont forget guys if they changed the kite shield with firesong on it, that would mean changing maestro's flame to proc off spells as well, making it an extremely powerful weapon for furys to do dps with. change an effect, it gets changed across the board. think about these ideas before asking for them, it could have greater implications than you would expect. however, if they were to make the flame not usable by fury/warden, that would make it a fair fix imo, as furys dont need a dps boost

ed: firesong gives 98 damage per proc at 600 int

I know this is kind of a throwback, but they better not change the goddamn Maestro's Flame to proc off spells. That's the only non-bugged item in the goddamn game that rangers can use for dps.

There's already 10 million goddamn items that proc off spells and if you can't find them then you're a lazy fucktard that should probably go play something easier, like pong. Leave the one goddamn weapon in the game that was intended to work with combat abilities alone!

Fuck you if you think differently!

-Hexus-

Deule · 03-16-2008, 02:22 PM

Hexus way to be an ass. Yes there are things that proc off spells...show me how many 1h weapons do though. The argument that crusaders have about this itemization is that we have spells and CA's. So, unlike the ranger, all the other scouts, and the warriors that get this to proc off of 99% of whatever they are casting, crusaders get to see it go off of 30-40% of whatever they are casting. That 100 damage per pop adds up quickly and is bullshit that it doesn't proc off of any CA or spell cast.

Ower · 03-16-2008, 02:55 PM

Deule... any warrior using that sword over anything would be retarded...

Xavion · 03-16-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Deule

Oh yeah, thats because Pally's get Amends. Lol, way to have your class completely dependent on one ability.

I have grouped with pallys who don't "lean" on ammends (seeing as it's only for one person in your group anyhow, it would be kind of hard to do that anyways with several high-dps'ers in the group). That's not the only aggro-inducer available to them.

Some people, as one friend who is much wiser than I about the game once told me, just are horrible at the class, simply because they chose it for the "idea" of what a paladin is in their mindset... not what the class actually is in the game. Some accept it and learn the class, and end up being great tanks. Others refuse to understand the class was not intended for high-dps, and try to play it all wrong. The rest usually pick up another class. /shrug

Meat · 03-16-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MrChickn

The fix to crusaders being left in the dust for DPS...

Thats easy... Delete all Crusaders.

I have play with some badass pallies.. Nardaak was one of them... and my future x-wife Azleah....Nardaak would rock you so hard you mom would get off on it. the OP is obivously some scurb that should have rolled a easymode DPS class, if you cant play you class to your full potential and want more. oh and before you try to flame me, i was a bard. so i know where you are coming from.. but the difference is... i was good at my class.

Ive played with both of you's .. And ya you're both great raiders and players.. I think all he wants is a viable offence stance mode or something (aa spec) to make crusaders just as viable as dps classes in offence mode as some of the top warrriors..

Im assuming his beef is with zerkers since they can be great consistent dps classes while we (crusaders) tend to have to wait on ca's to recycle whereas zerkers can and do auto attk for 5k a pop with the right weapon, in the proper hands..
Thats pretty much double my auto attack as a paladin with the same weapon..The zerker has 60% Da, all those temp crit buffs etc + bards and if lucky IA etc.. Sks can't keep pace with that.. Nasthar short sword is the weapon I'm referring too.. And Ive seen bremen/hazerd piss pound shit with that sword..

Meat · 03-16-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Deule

Oh yeah, thats because Pally's get Amends. Lol, way to have your class completely dependent on one ability.

Well its really only nice when theres no dirge hate or coercer hate, if there is, its really not needed but definitely nice to have. Having amends for avatars is basically an I win button, with the right group of people.. I personally don't want to have to rely on amends for agro control but thats how they set pallies up.. Perfect OTs imo.. Not many realize it though.. Especially when I hear a top guild wanting a 2nd guard as Ot.. Just makes me laugh and cry at the same time.

Ower · 03-16-2008, 07:52 PM

They dont use guards to tank adds with. If any guild does that pls... pls tell what guild??

Meat · 03-16-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ower

They dont use guards to tank adds with. If any guild does that pls... pls tell what guild??

Fallen-befallen

I don't really understand it myself, but they were the best guild in Eof killing avatars, so I assume theres a method to their madness. Time will tell I suppose.

Ower · 03-16-2008, 08:47 PM

Are you sure that they dont have a Crusader or a zerk for adds?? sure many guilds use 2 guards for top end raiding atm. But mostly for if you MT goes down.