The fix to crusaders being left in the dust for DPS...

Deule · 03-09-2008, 03:35 PM

Right now crusaders are the only melee class that can't Dual Wield and this is becoming a serious crutch for us because of it. DW is like having 100% DA up all the time and than add on what DA % that you are buffed to and we are talking some mad quad hits for DPS. Warriors, brawlers, and all scouts have been given the ability to maximize DPS through this means while the crusaders have been left trying to fend for 2h weapons that do not put out the same type of damage output.

To make matters worse all epics excluding the ranger epic are 1h weapons. This means that all the other classes get to maximize their melee dps with their epic weapon while Crusaders pretty much carry theirs in their bags and it becomes extremely situational on whether we would use it or not.

As a SK I am extremely disappointed in my Mythical version of the epic. This thing does not carry the DPS it should at all and it has dropped us on the DPS chart to be second to last for DPS of fighters and even behind bards on parses. First thought is that SOE should seriously upgrade the DPS on our epic to be equivalant to that of a mythical 2h weapon to keep us on track to be where we should be for DPS; however, thinking it over more it only makes more sense that Crusaders be given the ability to DW. This would solve the serious gap in DPS that we are seeing at high end. Honestly, there is no good reasoning that SOE has to keep Crusaders from being able to DW, other than that than nobody at all will want the gimp 2h weapons that are out there just because DW > 2h every time.

Mendanbar · 03-09-2008, 04:21 PM

You realize that warriors don't DW, period, right? And that brawlers just DW becauset heir class mechanics are fucked up and they're pushed more into a DPS role through shitty class design and terrible overall mechanics designs (see avoidance vs mit)?

Having said all that, crusaders probably do need a dps increase, but giving them DW is probably not the fix. A mythical that transforms from 1h to 2h with a commensurate upgrade (kind of like the wyrmslayer) might be reasonable though if coupled with other fixes.

Rhymez · 03-09-2008, 04:32 PM

i havent seen a crusader using 2 weapons ever in ayn game movie etc :P

Faxon · 03-09-2008, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhymez

i havent seen a crusader using 2 weapons ever in ayn game movie etc :P

you watch helsing? the crusaider in that uses all sorts of crazy fucked up weapons, and not once did i see him bust out a 1h and shield or a 2h

Xavion · 03-09-2008, 06:24 PM

I play an SK alt that recently got to 80, and usually just two-box with a defiler for personal loot runs, but I have tanked groups every so often for my guild when other tanks aren't online late at night. I must say that I find the effect on Sedition to be a bi-product of all the SK's who made their toons with the intentions of being main tanks and then complaining that they don't have enough hate to keep the mobs away from certain brigs and wizards unless they throw a Rescue or Deathmarch.

While I see it as an attempt to appease those SK's, I am a little surprised by it as well. I was figuring on a disease debuff/dmg increase or something like that to be honest. You just can't guess with SOE devs anymore.

However, I AM appreciative of the fact Sedition is NOT a two-hander. Even when I am not the MT in a group, I still want a good shield in the secondary slot so I can pick up the encounter if the MT falls for whatever reason, or just take some pressure off him and pickup adds if need be. I haven't used a two-hander in a loooooong time, even in a dps-only role. So to me, the reason it is a one-hander goes hand-in-hand with my theory for why they gave it the effect they did. If you want more dps, get that INT up, get spell crit/dmg gear, and get Bertoxx as your deity. /shrug

People want to be tanks but don't want to add to the 3 trillion Guardians already on each server. Imho, I prefer being with a good Pally as my MT when I'm on my SK, because Sigil + Deathmarch totally owns. But that's just me...

Sorry to stray there.

Narkle · 03-09-2008, 06:28 PM

I have been saying this since the DW change...Sedition needs to be a 2hander or let us DW..

P.S. I see warriors DW ALL the time

Faxon · 03-09-2008, 06:28 PM

i might add, most of the crusaiders who are complaining they arent good enough at dps, i would inspect your playstyle and just how you spec your character on top of what content you are playing in. i dont have any problem doing good dps on my paladin, but might i add that we arent really MENT to be super good dps. im more than happy with my pallys dps currently, all though it is some of the highest dps you will ever see from a paladin lol. DWing would be a nice addition however, as it would make it easier for us to swap from a DPS/OT role where we want to do more damage to tank as we wouldnt have to wait 2s for our shield/1h to equip, and it would open up our options for weapons somewhat. wouldnt be against the chance thats for sure, but im not going to complain if they dont do it

Xavion · 03-09-2008, 06:41 PM

I can't speak for Pallys, but as far as SK's go (see my above post), they were never meant to be melee-dps-heavy. Look at the spells for crying out loud... like 3 or so true "combart arts" and the rest are spells that do disease dmg. We are plate warlocks, so to speak. Build around the class's strengths, because as you know SOE doesn't change the things we WANT them to change, so holding out for DW is futile.

In groups against multiple encounters, I do a very respectable amount of dps and can also hold aggro and take a decent hit when I need to. To be honest, I love the SK, and I couldn't really ask for more from the class without feeling like I'm getting spoiled. You can't have it all.

Mendanbar · 03-09-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Narkle

I have been saying this since the DW change...Sedition needs to be a 2hander or let us DW..

P.S. I see warriors DW ALL the time

PVP doesn't count, he's talking in a PVE context. People that do it on pve servers get made fun of.

pagansaint · 03-09-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mendanbar

PVP doesn't count, he's talking in a PVE context. People that do it on pve servers get made fun of.

Zerkers aka Plate Swashies do it.