Istaril

Blessings...

23% Haste, 17.5 melee skills for Troub, (Melee), Illusionist and Templar.

>2k Hp for the group.

Good use out of POTM.

Shield of Faith to heal from Bloodthirsty chokers (even on the Illusionist)

Stoneskin/Shield ally can still turn a mage-group SK into a viable tank (or mage group brigand, or whatever you run)

And another MT repent.

Yeah, Templar's a damn good choice. Not as many of them around to spare though, so a Fury would be the second choice - Agitate on the melee, good use out of potm as well, and hibernate/group hots are by default the best way of keeping the group alive.

TANGARTH

one thing druids have is that they're the perfect class to heal a mage/scout group where everyone has a choker

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Istaril

Shield of Faith.

Jourdelune

I am happy to see all those feedback all.

But actually, I am not convinced what is the way to go.

To resume, Fury seems to be the obvious choices of the masses but if I understand, it's because they get AoE prevention and Burst heal to keep the mage up.

So, Fury are used for survivability versus DPS buffer. (what is 50 more INT when you can get speed casting, reuse timer and FAST REZ)

My main gripe about a lot of furies, is:

1- They care so much about their puny DPS they let the best parser die, and die, and die... keeping them in the dirt while they try to push their damage...

2- I get much more rez from Necromancer or Dirge in other group than the fury.

3- A lot of them, need to be harass to put Lucidity on you (wizard). When I ask 3 times (first in tell), second group wide, third telling the Raid LEader, to get that buff... Am I a mendiant? Do they want to keep lucidity for their own DPS? (one more slot on hotbar for a tell macro!!)

The fury resurrection spell is kind of slow. Compare to the rezzing of a Templar (almost instant!).

Do plate healer get better surv for themselves than a Fury on raid? From my inquisitor guildies experience, they are always up and running when a lot of none-plate healer eat dirt.

Unfortunately, I don't get the same raid setup each night, to compare parse while switching healer class. I can't have a feel, which healer classes will give the most DPS for a typical caster group ( Wiz, War, Conjy, Trouby, Illu, Healer ). I have seen pretty nice parse from some Hardcore raider who put ( Wiz, Warlock, Trouby, Illu, Brigan, Inquisitor).

If any hardcore wizard (Falcogen? Illuminator?) could give some parse and impression about the best DPS they can achieve with different type of healers buff, it could be really interesting for that thread.

Actually, people think Fury are the way to go. (look at the poll)

I think that a good inquisitor > a slacker fury healer. Inquisitor go for heal parse, while furies try to do both. Inquisitor rez more faster, so caster parse is less affected for DPSing and they get better buff for mages than furies. (but like someone suggest they bring more for a melee group than caster group... :S)

And thanks for the Devotion tips, I will ask it!

I appreciate all the input, please keep them coming.

Jourdelune

Gnomercy

I don't know about an Inquis in a mage group, but a Templar their gives more benefit to the entire group than a fury does. 1000 extra HP to the squishies, DR and Blessings compared to what? Extra Int? Get your mage group templar to macro a tell to the troub for a jesters when DR is up and watch the happy faces in your group.

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Kyrsten

I'd suggest getting furies that don't suck, ours seem to do just fine.


PS - you still getting outparsed by your MT, or did that change now that you're in that "T8" raidzone called EH?

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Slamdar

Generally, it is dirges that rez people that get killed during combat. Healers are generally the last in line to rez, so not really sure why you even threw that in there... And your necro needs to worry about dps'ing and not about rezzing unless all of the other rezzers are dead.

Helliano

Imo, two troub groups. One with Inq and one with Fury as a healer. Jobs dun.

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SacDaddy

Fury - good choice

Templar - good choice

Inq - Yea sure, but most dont have DR. Even if they do, group should have at least 2 solid melee'rs

Warden - No

Either shamen - What are you rolling with 3 shamens for?

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tracheaspider

The masses = stupid, hence why there aren't more guilds that can get even as far as VP. If you want to go with what's popular, I guess that's cool. Otherwise, ignore what the masses think and listen to the people who aren't being retarded sheep. I especially recommend revisiting Pinski's reasoning regarding fury vs. inquis. Or what Ipaan said about healer choice being situational when it comes to keeping mages up.

Furies are hybrids and have mid-range DPS when they don't need to heavy heal (which is most trash fights and a good number of named fights). So they should be caring about their DPS because what the fuck else would they be doing when they're not healing or AE blocking? Maybe your furies suck at DPS and healing. If you die that much, maybe you suck at not pulling aggro or not standing in range of frontals or something. I dunno, but a mage group fury should be putting up some impressive numbers.

So you're complaining first that the fury never rezzes you and then complaining that the fury's rezzes suck anyways? Hmm, maybe the fury doesn't rezz much because fury rezzes are so bad?

Well, no shit a good healer > a slacker healer. But as far as doing one's job, a fury or inquizzy should be doing as much DPS as they can so long as their primary duties are fulfilled. An inquizzy who only worries about his heal parse is as much a waste as a fury who never casts a single heal.

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