Tympyst

Your furies suck. When there isn't shit to heal, of course they should be helping do what damage they can. No, its not going to be on par with the DPS classes, but any damage helps the mob drop faster. It would be dumb not to do damage as oppossed to standing there looking cool...

We rarely have healers rez during combat. Our necro and dirges usually do in-combat rezzes anyway. Seeing that rez is not group dependent, why are you complaining about rezzes anyway?

As for Lucidity, usually all the casters in my group get it. Once again, either your furies suck or they just don't like you.

You shouldn't generalize every person of a class from your experiences with some.

Choadley

Running with 2 Troub/Illus groups, typically one gets a templar and one has a fury in my opinion.

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pagansaint

The only, only, advantage that a Fury has over a Templar in group survivability is Tortoise Shell.

Either healer if played by a competent, not good, just competent, player can maintain their entire group's health pool in the green. This commentary that a fury can do it faster is just fluff, they can, but the difference is minute(Hi, overloaded heals) and rather meaningless. AEs do not hit fast enough for this to be an issue. You can single target heal, no group heals, and get your group's health ready for the next AE.

Now as far as if a class gets aggro in either healer's group... A Templar is vastly superior in the hands of a player that knows how to snap heal/buff. A Templar provides more hitpoints, more mitigation, and can snap buff stoneskin and avoidance onto a target. Not to mention Repent and reactives which unlike regens can turn a barely killing blow into survival and healed back up to full. This is of course if as Pinski said, the target isn't automatically going to be one shotted by what you are fighting. Nothing but a Warden can save a toon in that situation.

Templars provide:

• More Hitpoints
• More Mitigation(for what it's worth lol)
• Groupwide item proc chance buff
• Groupwide casting/recovery speed if spec'd so
• Groupwide control effects immunity
• Groupwide arcane ward and resist buff
• Single target buff that 240% of used power is converted to health

Furies provide:

• More Intelligence/power via single target buff
• Tortoise Shell for rapid recast AE Immunity if spec'd so
• Hibernation if well timed can provide a large HP cushion on AE mobs
• Regens are better suited to counter Choker use
• Single target rapid recast stifle with power regain on a successful melee attack
• Agitate for the troub boosting his melee damage very nicely
• Better personal DPS if so spec'd and geared for DPSing

And before people go crazy about me being biased I used to play a fury almost exclusively or boxing my cleric while playing the fury.

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Splorch

My usual caster group consists of

Warlock
Wizzy
Necro
Brig
Troub
inquis

The inquis is specced especially for the casters, and I really don't have a problem with how it works out. This is from a casual guild btw, not teh awesomsause.

hennyo

I would just like to say a few things about these points,

First off, arcane ward is better for choker use as far as surviving AE's are concerned, since it just wards all choker damage done while its up.

Second, power regen is mostly a joke at this point, while power on melee stiffle ability was VERY nice in t7, its really lost its charm at this point.

Third, the dps increase from group haste is pretty much unmentioned, while agitate is better, and personal dps of a templar speced for it, is going to be very marginally less than a fury's dps.

Lastly a templar can either spec cures, or complacency, both of them provide extra bonuses to the group, in either, longer sanc, and free cures, OR, on demand deaggro as well as, the best snap healing in the game for saving mages lives.

hennyo

Now for the real reason someone would want a fury in the mage group, if they understood the value of one compared to a cleric, is simply because they want druid heals somewhere in their raid. For out of group regens, for the MT, OT, or a group that needs tortise shell and they are simply trying to figure out the best group to put the fury in the raid while keeping one in it.

pagansaint

Hi, thats only when the arcane ward is A) available B) before it runs out of ward. A single group regen can keep a group of choker users alive much better and consistently. Yes the ward removes the damage entirely.... while its up, but it is short lived. Hence if you actually think about it, the regens are better suited.

Thats why I said furies have an easier time, hell just group direct heal with overloaded heals can do the job if needed, but that doesn't mean that is what is better suited to the task.

The group haste as you call it is not mentioned due to not everyone having their mythical. This is written regarding only base class and the abilities(equipment being overloaded heal items anyone can get) available to everyone.

Power regain is a joke now, excepting when those mage or healers get splatted all over the landscape, the animal form ability still has a use, its just not as important as it used to be.

Spec cures just to get improved Sanctuary, anyone who doesn't.... well they have problems outside what we are talking about. Complacency isn't really worth the AAs spent to get it in my experience.

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Slippery

Inquisitor keeps our mixed group alive through 5 chokers just fine!

Pinski

"A single group regen"? Uhm, If a single group regen can keep a group of chokers alive, then your choker users suck. Because, if all you worried about was a single group regen, GG I'm dead, thanks you fucking horrible healer.

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pagansaint

LoL That was in comparison to using the arcane ward, both with group heals going also. I just didn't word it worth a shit.

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